Shipping from U.K.

[akl63]

NO way to tell. we don't know what country your even in.

How many phentermine. 10 or 100.

What mood is the customs agent in that day? Seriously if you had to show up to work everyday, in a dusty garage on the side of an airport. Constantly passing packages through monotonously, how hard would you look.

Did you send it? Or is it from a IOP? If an IOP using similar packages too much, a customs agent might just see it as familiar and put it aside for search.

All factors, some of which are impossible to determine.
I've had packages opened at US customs that were obvioulsy pills, and they just sent it through. I've had stuff nicely packaged get seized. If I was the agent, I probably wouldn't be seizing to many, but maybe this guy just had an espresso and is ready for work! Millions of incedental things affect it. How fast is the mailer this week. Does your package arrive and sit in time to get checked by me? Or does it come through on the next shift where the go-getter is working?

[shiz2041]

I had it sent by a friend from UK to Aus in some make up bags - 90 tabs or 3 months personal supply for me.

I don't care if it gets seized and I get a letter - just don't want to get in trouble for it!

Am I worrying about nothing? It's a medication that's in the same class as Xanax etc, Im just worried that I'll have the authorities knocking at my door

[smithieh]

@shiz2041 They use xray and they are well staffed for the job, and zealous. You've seen the TV programs? And like any job there are different people with different tendencies but the job is the job and nobody wants to get sacked so the chances of it getting in, from my experience and watching others here, is around 50% from an IOP. If it's properly packed by a friend that goes up. If it is seized (90) phentermine is an LL, AFAIK. No big deal.

If you need them for weight control ask your doc in Aus.

[PB8D]

I thought I'd weigh in on this topic as I have what some would call an extensive amount of experience in this area.

Please note I have never ordered meds online, however the product I was dealing with is VERY similar, in both size, shape and detectability (i.e dogs, x-ray, noise etc.) and of course, illegality. You probably know what I'm referring to

Compared to other areas of Europe, Great Britain has an excellent success rate. It's WELL over 50%, I'd say 75-80% easily for small orders (10-20 small pills) and that's based on a lot of shipments, including the ones that weren't well packaged.

IMO the Australian Customs hype themselves up to near-mythical levels when their detection rates honestly aren't that great. When you read forum posts most people make our customs appear to be an impenetrable wall, with an officer examining every single package that comes into the country. In my experience that simply is not the case, and if you're ordering from a customs-neutral country such as the UK (or even better NZ/USA) with discrete packaging, most of your order is going to arrive safely.

I hope I could help, once upon a time I used to be a paranoid little bugger and now I have a good chuckle at Border Patrol.

[drboris]

@P8Bdwoadoad33oapkfmaf08 thanks for this useful first post and welcome to the forum. By the way if you ever want to change your username to something more memorable you can do that through the 'User CP' link! It helps to have a short username on here for when others might want to @mention you.

[PB8D]

Heh, thanks for that. I just signed up with a gibberish name so I could read a few more threads, but I think I'll be coming here more often.

[smithieh]

I thought I'd weigh in on this topic as I have what some would call an extensive amount of experience in this area.

Please note I have never ordered meds online, however the product I was dealing with is VERY similar, in both size, shape and detectability (i.e dogs, x-ray, noise etc.) and of course, illegality. You probably know what I'm referring to

Compared to other areas of Europe, Great Britain has an excellent success rate. It's WELL over 50%, I'd say 75-80% easily for small orders (10-20 small pills) and that's based on a lot of shipments, including the ones that weren't well packaged.

IMO the Australian Customs hype themselves up to near-mythical levels when their detection rates honestly aren't that great. When you read forum posts most people make our customs appear to be an impenetrable wall, with an officer examining every single package that comes into the country. In my experience that simply is not the case, and if you're ordering from a customs-neutral country such as the UK (or even better NZ/USA) with discrete packaging, most of your order is going to arrive safely.

I hope I could help, once upon a time I used to be a paranoid little bugger and now I have a good chuckle at Border Patrol.

Duly noted mate but no need to be a paranoid little bugger when the figures are based on actual experience - of importing meds from OS. Of course that can go up or down, depending on experience.

Would be interested to know your delivery rate when you've got some experience ordering meds online. I don't know anyone who orders 10 - 20 small pills at a time though, more like around the 100 mark. Shipping costs don't change with smaller orders.

You suggest you lost around 20% of your illegal shipments, drugs I suppose. How did that go down with customs and the local drug squad?

[Bobble22]

I've had a couple of packages from an iop that ships from the uk and 3 out of the 6 were passed and the others were seized, yet all clothing i've purchased from the uk arrived without so much as some yellow tape from the post office to say they've opened my package. Is it obvious, or is it just bad luck?

That's not good. Can anyone update a better seizure rate you know, and maybe source if that's allowed. Rellies are asking for pressies.

[pinchpot]

With regards to the LL, is there any follow up or is it just a case of 'we took this don't do it again?'

Im thinking about doing a UK order and Im tossing up whether to go full random name anonymous or whether to just put real details on there and hope for the best.

[h3x4g0n]

That's not good. Can anyone update a better seizure rate you know, and maybe source if that's allowed. Rellies are asking for pressies.

never had a package from UK seized, plenty of others from other places, but UK has never been a prob, just had an order from shaz arrive a couple days ago from there, a pretty big one too. took 14 days, never opened by customs or the posties.

With regards to the LL, is there any follow up or is it just a case of 'we took this don't do it again?'

Im thinking about doing a UK order and Im tossing up whether to go full random name anonymous or whether to just put real details on there and hope for the best.

no need to be anon, i've had at least a dozen LL's over the past 2-3 years.
if your order isn't a Sched 8 drug, the letter simply states what they've seized (i.e: 90 x 2mg Clonazepam tablets.), and you have 90 days(if i remember correctly) to provide them with a valid prescription, or your meds will be destroyed.
It's not a criminal offence to buy prescription(only sched 4 though) meds online, because you may well have a legit script for all they know. so they hold them, and if you don't send one in, they just destroy them. you can legally import up to a 3 month supply of a med, so as long as you don't order like 2000 tabs, you're all fine.

if you're ordering sched 8 stuff (ritalin, rohypnol, barbs, opiates), you need to be careful when it comes to amount of pills, and strength. i've had small orders(30-50 tabs) of ritalin seized, and the LL is basically the same, except they ask for a handwritten gov. authority script from a registered doctor, but no legal dramas.
Having said that, i'd advise you keep it under say 75 tabs, because it is technically illegal to import/possess sched 8 drugs without authority, and they come down hard on barbs and opiates, so i'd advise against ordering that kind of stuff.
Remember: cocaine is a sched 8 drug. So if you order big on a sched 8, and they catch it, you might expect the same penalties as a coke smuggler.

If it's just benzos or whatever though, you have nothing to worry about. the only time a legal problem could arise from that is if the order is, like i said, 2000 tabs or something, then you might get a knock on the door, and have a few questions to answer, but unless there's evidence of you being involved in reselling/distribution, they won't pursue it.

As I said earlier, I've gotten dozens of LL's, and a couple of them were for small sched 8 orders , i always use my real name and home address, and I've never even had so much as a second follow-up letter, a phone call, or anyone show up.

[Bobble22]

@h3x4g0n some useful info there. did you know shaz say their seizure rate to Aus is 50 percent? I read that here on PR and at a shaz site. So its all a bit ???

[pinchpot]

no need to be anon, i've had at least a dozen LL's over the past 2-3 years.
if your order isn't a Sched 8 drug, the letter simply states what they've seized (i.e: 90 x 2mg Clonazepam tablets.), and you have 90 days(if i remember correctly) to provide them with a valid prescription, or your meds will be destroyed.
It's not a criminal offence to buy prescription(only sched 4 though) meds online, because you may well have a legit script for all they know. so they hold them, and if you don't send one in, they just destroy them. you can legally import up to a 3 month supply of a med, so as long as you don't order like 2000 tabs, you're all fine.

if you're ordering sched 8 stuff (ritalin, rohypnol, barbs, opiates), you need to be careful when it comes to amount of pills, and strength. i've had small orders(30-50 tabs) of ritalin seized, and the LL is basically the same, except they ask for a handwritten gov. authority script from a registered doctor, but no legal dramas.
Having said that, i'd advise you keep it under say 75 tabs, because it is technically illegal to import/possess sched 8 drugs without authority, and they come down hard on barbs and opiates, so i'd advise against ordering that kind of stuff.

Bleh it was going to be for ~50 Sched 8 opiates. Nothing crazy like oxy but still listed as a drug of addiction in the schedule. I'm still tossing up whether to just go for it and see what happens. I'm not so concerned about the LL more any impact it might have having a name on file somewhere (forever)

[h3x4g0n]

@h3x4g0n some useful info there. did you know shaz say their seizure rate to Aus is 50 percent? I read that here on PR and at a shaz site. So its all a bit ???

That's more of a guess they made, basically so they don't have to care about you if your stuff gets seized. "we warned you. you took the risk, no reship, no refund." type of thing.

Bleh it was going to be for ~50 Sched 8 opiates. Nothing crazy like oxy but still listed as a drug of addiction in the schedule. I'm still tossing up whether to just go for it and see what happens. I'm not so concerned about the LL more any impact it might have having a name on file somewhere (forever)

I think you'll be fine with 50 opi's, as long as it's not like dilaudid or opana or something.
Your chances of getting them through are pretty decent if they're packed right, so an LL is only a slight possibility, and at that small of a number of tabs, you aren't going to see any legal action.
The manpower, time and costs involved in prosecuting something like that would make the case seem totally absurd, and make customs look desperate to show some results, it'd never happen.

..and as for having your name on file, I've had 2 full background checks done in the past year, as part of clearance for contract work with the state gov, and QPS. Cleared both times, nothing was ever mentioned to me about having received a large number of seizure notices. So I don't see it causing you any problems down the track.

[pinchpot]

I do appreciate the info h3x you are answering spot on what I'm interested in. Two thumbs up for the help.

Sounds like an order is going to be forthcoming!

[PB8D]

Duly noted mate but no need to be a paranoid little bugger when the figures are based on actual experience - of importing meds from OS. Of course that can go up or down, depending on experience.

Would be interested to know your delivery rate when you've got some experience ordering meds online. I don't know anyone who orders 10 - 20 small pills at a time though, more like around the 100 mark. Shipping costs don't change with smaller orders.

You suggest you lost around 20% of your illegal shipments, drugs I suppose. How did that go down with customs and the local drug squad?

Honestly I'm probably not ever going to have that info - I only plan on ordering personal amounts to treat my condition.

On second thought, the success rate probably differs a fair amount from what I was ordering; after reading up a bit more it seems like IOPs send out their medications in the original, conspicuous packaging that would appear more obvious in an X-ray. With 100 pills packaged like that, well, I'd imagine they would be far more easily spotted.

Yes, I'd say around 20%. They were only in lots of two or three at each place of residence and all under bogus names, so it never came back to haunt me. I just received the stock standard customs letter and that was that.

[h3x4g0n]

I do appreciate the info h3x you are answering spot on what I'm interested in. Two thumbs up for the help.

Sounds like an order is going to be forthcoming!

no worries man, glad i could be of use. That's what I assume these forums are here for anyway.
If i come across a post or topic I have either personal experience with, or at least theoretical knowledge of the subject at hand, I'm more than happy to share what I know with others.

The more that oz members know, the safer they'll be, and the easier they'll be able to past customs when making an order.

[littlebirdy]

It really good to see aussies posting again without this paranoid notion that someone from customs is reading and studying our experiences.

I have had something siezed from the UK twice but I suspect that was because the package rattled.

[h3x4g0n]

@littlebirdy : packing can make all the difference when it comes to customs.
Personally, I'd love it if IOP's started offering some kind of "super-discreet" packaging option. I'd much rather pay an extra $15 and know I'll get my order , than get a $600 package seized.

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It really good to see aussies posting again without this paranoid notion that someone from customs is reading and studying our experiences.

i find it really difficult to believe that, considering the sheer volume of international mail arriving in the country 24/7, that attempting to target one specific individual over some meds would be in anyway feasible. Unless you're some big time drug trafficker, customs just doesn't have the time to go after each and every little guy.

[smithieh]

It really good to see aussies posting again without this paranoid notion that someone from customs is reading and studying our experiences.

I have had something siezed from the UK twice but I suspect that was because the package rattled.

Unfortunately it's not paranoia. It just makes sense LE would be watching one of the most useful forums for sources of OS meds to Aus, or any country. They can't ignore a potential source of information.

But as @h3x4g0n - good to have someone who seems to know what they're talking about - says, they are probably not after you unless you are a major importer. Or otherwise are doing nothing criminal you can be in trouble for.

Doesn't mean you don't need to be careful about posting info on packaging, source and timing. Since we are a relatively small country, population wise, and mail comes in bags from those countries it's not difficult to target a countries bags if they have info something is in it - targeted disruption of the chain of supply is a tactic as old as war. And we are just collateral in the war on crime, drugs, terror, etc.

(As an example : a short while ago there were a number of new members all buying from one vendor and posting about it, details that didn't need to be out there. Next we know that vendors packs are being seized all over and members who had not lost anything from said vendor in years were losing packs, same for me. That was sorted and everything got back to normal. Coincidence? I don't think so. Some who lost packs then won't post in the Aus forum anymore.)

They (the Yanks) can get away with it in the general US forum because there are over 300 million of them. It's just about the numbers and being careful what you say.

FYI, over on another forum (BL) with an Aus subforum members are warned LE are probably 'on' the site and it has been reported other members have been 'stung' and busted.

I'm not making it up, and I'm not paranoid. I just have more experience of these (and other) things than I can comfortably relay here - and I never got busted in decades. Take it or leave it.

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: packing can make all the difference when it comes to customs.
Personally, I'd love it if IOP's started offering some kind of "super-discreet" packaging option. I'd much rather pay an extra $15 and know I'll get my order , than get a $600 package seized.

Here, here. And I am sure there are organisations discreet enough to implement something effective. But I can't see it for the general population, too indiscreet, and methods/forms would soon become known.

Some IOP's may be already offering something like this at a premium to long established buyers or introductions but I don't know of any personally - not been in the pharmaceutical side for long.

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Honestly I'm probably not ever going to have that info - I only plan on ordering personal amounts to treat my condition.

On second thought, the success rate probably differs a fair amount from what I was ordering; after reading up a bit more it seems like IOPs send out their medications in the original, conspicuous packaging that would appear more obvious in an X-ray. With 100 pills packaged like that, well, I'd imagine they would be far more easily spotted.

Yes, I'd say around 20%. They were only in lots of two or three at each place of residence and all under bogus names, so it never came back to haunt me. I just received the stock standard customs letter and that was that.

For sure, if left in the blisters they are probably more recognisable. And that may be how many do it for very small orders, but for bigger orders they are usually out of the blisters and 'arranged' - don't want to go into details publicly, it's a public forum. You've got to remember it's different for the US where most members here are from, and so most posts. It's easier to get stuff in there so there isn't the same focus.

I've seen a report here on PR of a Pakistani package being delivered to a US Army base, no problem. Can't see that here in Aus.

Like @h3x4g0n I think packaging needs to evolve. The question is how, and would it be adopted and secure enough for long enough to make it cost effective.

[h3x4g0n]

Unfortunately it's not paranoia. It just makes sense LE would be watching one of the most useful forums for sources of OS meds to Aus, or any country. They can't ignore a potential source of information.

But as @h3x4g0n - good to have someone who seems to know what they're talking about - says, they are probably not after you unless you are a major importer. Or otherwise are doing nothing criminal you can be in trouble for.

Doesn't mean you don't need to be careful about posting info on packaging, source and timing. Since we are a relatively small country, population wise, and mail comes in bags from those countries it's not difficult to target a countries bags if they have info something is in it - targeted disruption of the chain of supply is a tactic as old as war. And we are just collateral in the war on crime, drugs, terror, etc.

(As an example : a short while ago there were a number of new members all buying from one vendor and posting about it, details that didn't need to be out there. Next we know that vendors packs are being seized all over and members who had not lost anything from said vendor in years were losing packs, same for me. That was sorted and everything got back to normal. Coincidence? I don't think so. Some who lost packs then won't post in the Aus forum anymore.)

Definitely right on that one.
Once n00bs start posting pics of how their orders came packaged, and giving specific order/delivery details, you can pretty much forget about using that source again, unless you like throwing away money.

packing can make all the difference when it comes to customs.
Personally, I'd love it if IOP's started offering some kind of "super-discreet" packaging option. I'd much rather pay an extra $15 and know I'll get my order , than get a $600 package seized.

Here, here. And I am sure there are organisations discreet enough to implement something effective. But I can't see it for the general population, too indiscreet, and methods/forms would soon become known.

Some IOP's may be already offering something like this at a premium to long established buyers or introductions but I don't know of any personally - not been in the pharmaceutical side for long.

There are a few who use some pretty intricate methods as standard, but most places aren't exactly the stealthiest bunch of people around

Like @h3x4g0n I think packaging needs to evolve. The question is how, and would it be adopted and secure enough for long enough to make it cost effective.

If it were done right, it could actually be more cost effective in the long run. The more confident people feel that their stuff will show up, problem free, the more likely they are to re-order.
Not to mention the expanded customer base: If you could get the same order you were going to get from another IOP, but with almost guaranteed delivery to AUS, you'd switch to that IOP in an instant.