Aus/NSers: The Next Level beyond love letters?

[Itzalah]

Hey Aus/NZ PRers,

Wondering what legal experiences people have had beyond product seizures accompanied by Customs Love Letters?

Was additional legal action taken beyond seizure+LL due to to many seizures in the past, or quantity of pills ordered, or type of product ordered (eg morphine rather than benzos ) etc?

Am asking to try get a better understanding around the circumstances why seizure+LL was not considered enough for you?

Please PM me if you'd rather not talk about it in the public forum...

[johnforeman88]

That's a damn good question and one I'd also like to know the answer to if anyone has this information, coming from someone whose just taken his first step into IOP ordering...

I'd assume legal action would have to be taken for any opioids as compared with benzos though, as they are normally schedule 8 and illegal to hold without a prescription (in Australia anyway). Benzos however, are schedule 4 so a whole different set of rules apply. From the way I understand it, if you're walking down the street in Australia with a packet of oxycodone in your pocket and they aren't prescribed to you, you get into legal trouble. On the other hand if it's valium in your pocket, they wouldn't blink an eye, so how does this translate into importing for personal use?

[Itzalah]

I've had various different friends caught in public (random srch by police, either walking down a popular nightclub street in their city, or traveling on public transport, or 'random' vehicle searches {that they agreed to} - tht kinda thing) caught with weed, or some benzos, or 'nightclub' pills, or a lill clip-seal baggie of coke / crissy / whatever etc etc.

Result? Various combinations of simply being let go, or let go (with confiscation), or arrested-field-tested-charged-or-let-go etc. Discretion of the officer(s) at the time...

It seems theres no 'uniform' (pun unintentional) way that LE who are in the field deal with this stuff. And I imagine (i do emphasize IMAGINE: as I have no inside knowledge or work-experience in this area) that its a similar scenario within the organizations performing such duties on inbound package and postal inspections....

I was initially keen to hear about peoples actual legal experiences, with the consequences of their actions in bringing in <whatever> in <how many> qty that led to more than just a LL, but upon some more sober reflection, realise this could just be inviting some enthusiastic LE participant, troll etc to post some BS story, so perhaps this thread is best just closed out here...

Mods!?

[littlebirdy]

I think that one needs to take a common sense approach to this whole thing. If you are going to take the risk of importing controlled susbstances, you could probably expect some serious consequences relating to drug importation and international customs violations, if you are caught. If prosecuted, it will probably follow you around for the rest of your life in regard to employment, travel visas maybe getting finance.
I have read in this forum and other forums that people have recieved several LL. Im not giving out legal advice but I have spoken to people that work in the law and they feel that it is unlikely that LE would sieze bank accounts and computers and proscute over 50 sleeping pills. Unless they wanted to make an example of you.
I personally wont order over 80. I have asked for larger quantities to be split. I think that is also worth while making sure you do this for personal use. If your friends want something they can do it themselves. Keep it to yourself. You will pi**ed with your self when you run out.
I suffer chronic pain and find myself really tempted to buy stronger pain killers like suboxone but i havnt. Im also concerned that pain meds coming out of india and Pakisthan could substituted with other substances.

[auskick]

Im also concerned that pain meds coming out of india and Pakisthan could substituted with other substances.

ive heard a few people mention this.... can you elaborate slightly? i get the concept... but what might be replaced with what?

[littlebirdy]

@auskick there are Indian pharmacies that claim to sell vicodin and oxy. From what i have read these are not produced outside of the US. I have read in forums that they may subsitute these opioids with heroin. That could be a big customs issue. It hasnt happened to me - ive just read about it.

[Itzalah]

@auskick there are Indian pharmacies that claim to sell vicodin and oxy. From what i have read these are not produced outside of the US. I have read in forums that they may subsitute these opioids with heroin. That could be a big customs issue. It hasnt happened to me - ive just read about it.

Damn... I wonder if Mexican vendors are shipping crissy meth instead of Adderall...?

[johnforeman88]

Hey guys, just a quick note to anymore PM'ing me, I can't reply yet due to only 11 posts... sorry.

[auskick]

@auskick there are Indian pharmacies that claim to sell vicodin and oxy. From what i have read these are not produced outside of the US. I have read in forums that they may subsitute these opioids with heroin. That could be a big customs issue. It hasnt happened to me - ive just read about it.

thats terrible!! ive heard ingesting the old h bomb can be quite aweful.
not the best way to get repeat business... especially when you'd think most people ordering that stuff would have tried it before and no whats real and whats not.

[agram]

If Heroin is in a pill, it won't be terribly effictive. It isn't very efficient taking Heroin orally, which is why it is shot, smoked or snorted.

I call urban myth.

There are many opiates and opioids much easier to produce en-mass. If someone wants to produce a large amount of opiates, I would imagine that they would have the ability to produce what they claim to offer, although I would have doubts about the purity and contaminations.

Why would someone bother making Heroin in large quantities instead of Vicodin, etc, when it would get them into worse legal problems, it's orally quite tame, it would be much easier to produce inactive pills, there is probably a bigger market with more money to be made selling Heroin as Heroin to junkies, just as there is a large market for selling cheaply made counterfiet Vicoden/Oxy as Vicoden/Oxy?

This is nonsense. You're more likely to get sugar pills than Heroin pressed into counterfeit pills Oxys.

There's a reason Heroin was originally quite legal in the early 1900s - It was never that effective orally. It was however easily abused taken with other methods.

[krit01]

Although I've had no experience, my solicitor-friend informed me that she'd had a guy come into her office, terrified because customs had taken his Addy. The consensus around the office seemed to be that one letter was fine, but two letters led to a fine/legal action.

Looking at the forum, it seems clear that there's no set guideline to how the authorities handle this, but it's interesting that this is what solicitors believe the law indicates.

[Itzalah]

Although I've had no experience, my solicitor-friend informed me that she'd had a guy come into her office, terrified because customs had taken his Addy. The consensus around the office seemed to be that one letter was fine, but two letters led to a fine/legal action.

Looking at the forum, it seems clear that there's no set guideline to how the authorities handle this, but it's interesting that this is what solicitors believe the law indicates.

Hi krit01, thanks for posting.

So this was in Australia?

And your friend was ordering Adderall? (which contains an amphetamine).

Any idea what sort of quantities your friend was trying to order? And what action(s) beyond seizure Customs & Border Protection were taking/threatening to take legally? Or did they refer the matter to the AFP and it was the AFP taking further action?

PM me if you would rather not post specific details publicly.

[krit01]

This is in QLD.

I didn't know the guy, it was just a solicitor talking to me about what she'd seen that day and she can't tell me specifics of her cases. It was definitely only "personal use" quantities (not sure what that is), but this was his second letter and it hinted that further legal action would be taken this time. The solicitor assumed he would be getting at least a fine.

Whether customs actually follow up...Not so sure.

I'll let you know if I can subtly pull more details from my friend.

[MARCMARON]

man i'm go scared to ricks it i think. dam it we live in such a nanny state.

[colske]

Unless you are importing an obvious commercial quantity of conteolled meds you really dont have much to worry about. I have personally received many letters with no futther action taken or even threatened. You must remember that they are only controlled prescription meds NOT illegal drugs. The only action to be taken would be from the standpoint of monetary value and the loss of revenue to Australian business and Government from massive imports dodging taxes/tarrifs. They would calculate the approximate value of the meds which in Australia isnt much for a personal amount"a single script of 50 brand name Valium is less than $10. Could you really see them coming after you, spending god knows how much prosecuting you for importing prescription meds valued at less than $50. If you are only ordering meds in numbers that are obviosly for your own use and could not be seen as a commercial quantity, then relax its all done by the numbers.

[Siddy101]

I have received 4 nasty letters, all registered post to the same name/address, 3 basically said I'm naughty, and the last one was threats of legal action.

[littlebirdy]

Wow @Siddy101 that's the first time of heard of 4 letters all registered post. What was the threat? Do you have to show up at the cop shop? And most importantly what was if for?
Obviously you have to get a new postal address.

[Siddy101]

Hey their littlebirdy,
Threat was of course legal action in the courts for attempting to import steroids(technically not steroids), It was kind of a grey area import of superdrol/phera plex and other Pro-hormones, Nah didn't have to go to any police station thanks god, but i do believe My addy and name was flagged as just about everything addressed to me was from then on opened by customs/quarantine, technically I got 5 seizure notices if you count quarantine taking a bulk supplement powder(long time ago, can't remember) but was later released to me after. New addy now, nothing has been opened since.....even dodgy looking packages(which didn't nessacerally contain dodgy items) get through.

[littlebirdy]

@Siddy101 all things considered, thats a pretty good result!

[Siddy101]

Yeah I can't complain, Given most of this occurred when I was 16-17 and terrifying, you'd think i'd learn my lesson haha.