What works better than Halcion?

[Dragline400]

It is extremely difficult if not impossible to find Triazolam these days. I feel that for me Halcion is the perfect sleep aid when it is absolutely necessary to be well rested. On the rare occasions that I take this, I always wake without the groggy effects that accompany the longer acting hypnotic sedative drugs. Does anybody know the name of another short acting benzodiazapine drug similar in efficacy of Triazolam that can be used as a temporary sleep aid? Hopefully there is something relatively easier to acquire. I have visions of laying awake all through the night as the sky gets brighter and the birds start singing

D4

[markluera]

Halcion is a great sleep aid. For awhile my old psychiatrist had me on 4 a day for anxiety. I really wish he hadn't retired. Very liberal with the benzos!

[GoingBananas]

Yes, Halcion is good. So is Temazepam,Versed is good but it is super shirt-acting, oh also NITRAZEPAM is pretty decent as I am assuming you went through, Ambien and all the typical ones.

[mark129395]

I take 2 30mg temezapam and 100mg of doxepin for sleep. They work well and there is no groggy feeling when you wake up. I have tried every sleeping pill besides lunesta and this is the only combination that works most of the time for me. If I am still having trouble falling asleep I will take 1 or 2 mgs of xanax and that usually does the trick.

[twinturbo]

lorazepam seems to work well for me

[etinin]

Midazolam is the perfect replacement for triazolam.
Only other benzo with a really short half-life.

[Dragline400]

@markluera What a shame he retired, if only there were more Doctors like him around, if it was easier to find a doctor like that I believe a large part of the anxiety would be gone and probably contribute to less sleep problems.


@twinturbo How much lorazepam do you need to fall asleep?

@GoingBananas I've also tried temazepam, versed is good, but like you say is too short acting. I've never tried nitrazepam, although i have some 5 mg tablets that are quite large and i do not know what a good dosage would be for me I'm 6" tall 250 lbs. I've tried ambien but it seemed to have no effect on me

I just think halcion was working best for me maybe nitrazepam could be a good substitute just not sure of the dosage

Thanks for all of your replies.
Paul

[MattM]

Never had much luck using lorazepam for sleep....needed a lot to knock me out and I'd be wide awake at 2am. For those of you taking Versed - are you getting the tablets or are you just taking the injectable formula orally?

[RAZZEL]

It is extremely difficult if not impossible to find Triazolam these days. I feel that for me Halcion is the perfect sleep aid when it is absolutely necessary to be well rested. On the rare occasions that I take this, I always wake without the groggy effects that accompany the longer acting hypnotic sedative drugs. Does anybody know the name of another short acting benzodiazapine drug similar in efficacy of Triazolam that can be used as a temporary sleep aid? Hopefully there is something relatively easier to acquire. I have visions of laying awake all through the night as the sky gets brighter and the birds start singing

D4

Have you been able, anywgare to find Halcion??

Have you been able, anywgare to find Halcion??

I goofed. I meant to say anywhere!

[Quaalude]

@Dragline400

I have to agree, Halcion always agreed very well with me and kicked in fast. I didn't experience any of the reported "bizarre side effects" but you're right, it's seemingly hard to find. Most (as I am sure you know) of the U.S. retail pharmacies only carry it prepackaged pharmacy stock bottles in a #10 count (in either of the two strengths, 0.125 or 0.25mg). I mean, I guess if you're M.D. has prescribed you a 30 day supply they'd label you 3, #10 bottles (either that or actually open the bottles up and dump them into an amber vial and then label the vial---usually too lazy to do that). The generics I've worked with in retail have always been manufactured by Greenstone generics (the generic subsidiary of Pfizer) and manufactured in the the same facilities as the brand name (just like their brands of generic Xanax). Greenstone is great for generics (although there are other companies that manufacture them as well). JMHO. I've encountered a few online pharmacies who claim to sell what appears to be the oval Halcion tablets in the 0.25mg strength, but unless it's a crappy picture their posting, I'm skeptical as to the strength, potency, or what's even (if anything) in them. Members here that have tried them might be able to give you more insight but I've never ordered any and don't know about their quality as such. If you're wanting fast acting and NO grogginess, Dormicum or Flormidal (midazolam) tabs are quick acting and burn out fast from your system. Kick in fast too. Only problem, only marketed in other countries and "hear" the Roche branded Dormicum 7.5mg tabs tend to be weak. Think this is where you're homework/online research comes into play. Why not do some searching here using the search feature at top of the page, if you haven't already. You'd be surprised at the info you'd encounter. Z-drugs are good for a short half-life, especially Sonata (zalplon) and especially indicated for sleeplessness that can occur even in the middle of the night. It's half-life is like an hour tops and you definitely won't be groggy the next morning. I swear by Ambien and have been taking them for years without any problem. Always work like a charm on a completely empty stomach. Lunesta I'd love to try but hear the metallic taste can be pretty bad as a side effect. Besides, going to wait for that one to lose it's patent cause I'm not about to shell out high $ for it yet.

Sorry to be wordy (as usual) but these are just some of the suggestions that come to mind at this late hour. Many other knowledgeable folks here at the forum that can chime in as well on this one for some good suggestions for you.

All The Best!

Q

[TenaciousE]

@Quaalude: my psychiatrist told me that because I take Klonopin daily that Lunesta would not be very effective for me. I am kicking myself for not asking for a detailed "why" but it was more an off handed comment not pertinent to the topic at hand.

I tried Lunesta when I had a $8 copay for it. It did nothing for me. I believe the European generic is available via an IOP, but given your knowledge base I am sure you know that.

BTW: Your last post was extremely helpful and I just couldn't resist myself from clicking

[Quaalude]

@Quaalude: my psychiatrist told me that because I take Klonopin daily that Lunesta would not be very effective for me. I am kicking myself for not asking for a detailed "why" but it was more an off handed comment not pertinent to the topic at hand.

I tried Lunesta when I had a $8 copay for it. It did nothing for me. I believe the European generic is available via an IOP, but given your knowledge base I am sure you know that.

BTW: Your last post was extremely helpful and I just couldn't resist myself from clicking

@Aven----the post may have been helpful but no doubt un-Godly wordy. It's one of my faults as being a writer/editor as well as a self-proclaimed "Grammar Nazi". Guess I owe that to college and my teetering perfectionist/OCD/neurotic potential.

Speaking of Klonopin, don't know what your current dose is running but probably going to discuss either an increase in my dosage or either switch over to Valium or Librium to help edge off the anxiety that my Effexor isn't cutting. Otherwise, feel like a brand new man. Still a big advocate of Ambien and would recommend it to just about anyone but, like your experience, I could end up shelling out at shi*load of cash for a trial run and it do absolutely nothing for me. I noticed they make 3 strengths in Lunesta so I'd hope he'd consider at least the 2mg (if not the 3mg). I don't say much and just let him come to his own conclusions as to what has been working the best for me. Would hate to mess with something that isn't broken but seeing how my brain chemistry is need of some fixing, what the hell. Don't feel bad about the 'helpful' vote, your Lunesta input is very pertinent since we're both bitches to the drug that is Klonopin. Always good to hear your input and hope the naughtiness hasn't worn off since our last post(s)!

Take Care & All The Best!

Q

[dsteury]

If you want to just check out a wide varity of sleeping you may want to take a look at www.servicessolutions4u.com He got Lunesta (Imovanve) just an example he charges 50.00 for 50 excellent Lunesta tabs. I've tried pretty much everything he got except the prozac But all the benzo and sleep stuff top drawer. If your a Shaz Fan Or if you a Shaz fan www.best-sleepig-pills-online.com. Take a lok and if you see somethng that might help both sites have pretty good descriptions of what the produts. So find something interesting and google for more information. I just did a database search of the 2012 PDR database and most of the stuff they are calling sedatives or hypnotics have been around for 20 years and certainly were not the pick of the litter most of this stuff is just left over bio hazard garbage.

[TenaciousE]

@Aven----the post may have been helpful but no doubt un-Godly wordy. *It's one of my faults as being a writer/editor as well as a self-proclaimed "Grammar Nazi". *Guess I owe that to college and my teetering perfectionist/OCD/neurotic potential.

1. You must hate reading my posts because my thoughts come fast and I type on an IPOD I-Touch (where the "I" is next to the "O", so if I type too fast on the touch pad, "if" often becomes "of") leading to grammatical and spelling errors that do not get caught when I am multi-tasking;
2. I have a BA in History, minor in Philiosophy and MA in History so I am accustom to reading 750 page books in one week; many of which were translated from French or German. Therefore, I regard lengthy posts as a light read. Because of my educational background, my writing style tends toward lengthy, convoluted, abstract sentences which make perfect sense to intellectuals but seem ambiguous and awkward to the average forum reader; and
3. "Teerering perfectionist/OCD/neurotic potential" describes me to a "T". Would you mind if I borrow that phrase, as it would help me to explain my personality to others.

For the record, my daily dosage of Klonopin is 2 mg. I also take Inderal in order to treat migraines and anxiety. If you are unfamiliar with Inderal it is a beta-blocker and blocks the chemicals that produce "fight or flight" responses. It treats the physical symptoms of anxiety only.

I have never responded well to SSRIs, that class of drug exacerbates my anxiety and insomnia. Because of this I was placed on Effexor which is an SNRI. In the end, it was too activating and exacerbated my anxiety and insomnia. My personal recommendation is to review Effexor with your doctor, before increasing your Klonopin dosage. I also recommend that you personally research Effexor as well as any other treatment protocols your doctor is using. I have had too many bad experiences when I took my doctor's advice blindly.

MANY apologies to the posters in this thread for taking this thread off topic.

So, regarding Lunesta and Imovane.

Yes, Lunesta (Eszopiclone) comes in three strengths: *1 mg, 2mg and 3mg. 3mg Lunesta = 10 mg. When I tried Lunesta I needed 6 mg to feel an effect, when I felt any effect at all.*I have always found that Ambien is more effective.

The EU denied the patent for Lunesta, claiming that it is too similar to Imovane (Zoplicone) which has been available in Europe for years and comes in 3.75 mg and 7.5 mg dosages.

Halcion terrifies me. Based on my reading, in comparison to other benzos, dependency develops the quickest, with WD symptoms appearing as soon as two weeks of daily use.

[boxer]

Can someone please tell me who Shaz is, Ive looked up and down this forum but cant find a link or a name

[crucibelle]

@boxer -- That vendor can only be discussed in the senior section of the forum.

[boxer]

Im not understanding the concept of this forum then

[Perromaldido]

Why don't you have a go with etizolam then. It's unscheduled in the US - they should explain me why - and t's an hypnotic benzo whose main job is put you to sleep. In the same league as lormetazepan IMO, and easy to get in the states. Reschems sites also offer that and I must say it's very cheap. This is an anomaly I don't expect to go on forever so have a go. It's medium strength one, nothing to be afraid of at normal doses

[Utopiate]

It is extremely difficult if not impossible to find Triazolam these days. I feel that for me Halcion is the perfect sleep aid when it is absolutely necessary to be well rested. On the rare occasions that I take this, I always wake without the groggy effects that accompany the longer acting hypnotic sedative drugs. Does anybody know the name of another short acting benzodiazapine drug similar in efficacy of Triazolam that can be used as a temporary sleep aid? Hopefully there is something relatively easier to acquire. I have visions of laying awake all through the night as the sky gets brighter and the birds start singing

D4

If you get your medication from a physician, you might want to ask him/her about Sonata (zaleplon). It has a brevity of action similar to triazolam and it's available in generic from USA pharmacies. I don't know if you can get it from an OP, I think I saw it somewhere online not too long ago. It really is worth a try if you want a short acting sleeper.

[aksker]

Sonata is a really nice drug. Unlike Ambien and Lunesta you dont need a full 7 hours of sleep. It really helped me out when my work schedule got screwed up (working until 2 am and then having to be back at 7 am is ridiculous, can't believe I put up with that as long as I did). It's also nowhere near as addictive as Halcion.