Address flagged?

[EL_RAY]

Do you think addresses get flagged . Like if someone had packages seized or disappeared in the past that the address will be monitored in the future?

[Dr Ram]

That a really interesting question. I'm "paranoid" about it. Powerful posters here might have some knowledge about this. @QVC1212 ? @tinmuning ? @Keith K Stone ?

[billyboy1965]

Do you think addresses get flagged . Like if someone had packages seized or disappeared in the past that the address will be monitored in the future?

Yes. This is 2011. Have you ever googled yourself to see what comes up? Have you ever googled your address? All this information is available to anybody with a computer. The military can shoot a cruise missile how many miles away and hit a target? Just for *$(^@ and grins, google yourself, your parents, your neighbor, your boss...anybody and you'll be amazed what you'll see. The government in this day and age can most definitely track your every step...IF they want to.

[M77]

Do you think addresses get flagged . Like if someone had packages seized or disappeared in the past that the address will be monitored in the future?

Ummmm....they have to put the address into a computer to generate the confiscation letter. So I ask this with no sarcasm, do you think they hit save, or delete, afar they enter the address? Now does that equate to them actually spending the time and resources to watch the address? Of course not, if they believe it is a small amount for personal use. If you ordered 1000 of anything, I would say monitoring would be the least of your problems.

[naughtysmurf]

if you've gotten LLs before of course they have your address in a computer but i have 2 LLs and packages are still making it to my house so...who knows.I don't wanna jinx myself now so please Universe keep it up!

[QVC1212]

@COIL Thanks for the compliment! "Powerful poster" might be a bit of an overstatement, but it is a designation I will gladly accept. To be honest though I enjoy very little real power, if any. I am proud to have acquired a great deal of experience in IOP, however, so I certainly feel qualified to at least offer an opinion on this matter. It is one that has come up before. In fact, there is at least one separate thread here on PR which explores the issue of customs tracking. More specifically, it debates whether there is a list in existence used by authorities which permanently records and flags addresses of recipients who have been caught importing contraband, especially of the medicinal type. The thread shouldn't be hard to find. In it there is very little consensus as to whether this list (or lists) exists at all.

Based on my personal experience, addresses are routinely flagged if it is discovered that the addressee is importing medication. One of my previous addresses was flagged, I am certain of it, because subsequent to receiving a seizure letter from the JFK port of entry in New York I was never able to import anything which came through that port of entry again---all I received after that initial letter was more letters, regardless of whether packaging was discrete or not. I am absolutely convinced that customs flags addresses at the port of entry where the contraband is discovered. However, there is little evidence to suggest that there is a national database shared amongst all ports of entries for something as unimportant as a small amount of medication contraband obviously intended for personal use only. I would certainly hope that there is a national database for addresses and people flagged for some sort of terrorist connection, but I can only speculate on that.

The reason I suspect that, at least for now, that addresses are confined to the port of entry used is that after I received a couple of seizure letters from JFK, I was able to successfully import medication from another part of the world which was routed through the San Francisco port of entry. The name and address was exactly the same, but it made it through. Then, after I had moved from a house to a new apartment, I was able to successfully import medication not only through Miami and San Francisco but also from Europe that came through the JFK New York port of entry (though I have tried to avoid that POE since I have had such bad luck there). Now, with another new address after moving yet again, I have had zero seizures so far. However, through trial and error I have discovered a couple of vendors that are able to disguise the contents extremely well (such as medsadvocate.com, which is just awesome at discrete packaging, and edandmore.com, which is not great but pretty good at packaging, and pharmacy2u.co.uk, which is great at muffling the sound inside a small but thick box package). I have even ordered from Amazon, which is a huge risk---because once your address is flagged at a port of entry, you'll never get anything through that POE again short of a miracle---because Amazon's third party vendors mostly based in the UK break all the rules when it comes to packaging. For instance, Amazon vendors declare the actual contents, such as nurofen plus, which should automatically cause customs to seize it but miraculously has not so far, and they throw it in a soft loose bag with a box inside that rattles obnoxiously and loudly, and if they do declare contents as something else, it's something stupid and implausible like "toiletries". Who the hell would bother to order toiletries like shaving razors and soap from the UK, when you can walk down to your local Walgreens and buy it? It should be a dead giveaway, but for some reason customs ignores it.

Now, let's say your address is flagged at a certain POE, but you only trust one vendor, and that vendor is forced to use that same POE. And let's say that moving is out of the question. Must you stop ordering from them? Not necessarily. There are a couple of options to circumvent this problem. The first solution is to rent a PO Box, so your address is significantly changed. This has worked fairly well for some friends of mine. It's usually best to keep things simple, however: a simple variation of your name should also be enough to avoid detection notwithstanding the customs flagging. For instance, by adding a middle initial which isn't your middle initial, or shortening your first name, or even a more extreme approach such as a fake first name or fake name entirely, that should also work fine. The reason it works is that a computer is used at the port of entry to flag the address, and the slightest variation in the address is enough to fool it when the computer reads it. Of course, if your new packages coming to you after a love letter are not sufficiently discretely packaged, they'll be stopped too regardless of the variation, and that address will be added to the database as well.

Currently, there is no national database used by U.S. Customs which tracks medication-importing users that is universally applied to all ports of entry. The evidence to support this is mostly anecdotal in nature, since publishing the level of sophistication of the customs' technology or interdiction techniques employed by them would clearly be detrimental to their mission. However, technology is not static but continues to advance, and Moore's law dictates that (for at least the next ten or twenty years until quantum physics takes over and collapses the law) computing power doubles roughly every 18 months. Since databases exist at ports of entry, technology continues to advance and U.S. Customs' mission to intercept contraband is unlikely to change anytime soon, it is logical to theorize that a national database of flagged addresses will be created at some point in the future. It could be in the works right now, who knows? The only question is how authorities prioritize this task, because prioritization informs on the time frame for implementation. It could be a week, a month, or many years. The ability to collect the information is definitely there. It's just a question of flow. For example, the 9-11 report suggested that there was a great deal of information that, had it been properly correlated, could have forcefully pointed to the possibility of an imminent attack and perhaps even averted it if the info had been disseminated appropriately. But disseminating information to the right people can be tricky. I suspect that is the only reason a national database of flagged addresses appears not to be in place yet across all U.S. ports of entry. Once these systems are integrated and information flow is streamlined and universal at all ports, importing medication will probably become a great deal more difficult for all of us. But I believe that day will come. It is only a matter of time.

[Alternate]

It has been a year since my tiny 30 amount order was taken and got the LL.

As of yet I never ordered again.

I just don't at this time want to risk they do have a database and keep track.
Mine was an iop from a 'flagged' country.

[EL_RAY]

What about Canada

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My friend thinks its the person, since he moved he had no problems then he went on a trip and now Customs knows where he lives and had a package disappear in Customs limbo. That friend was also searched when returning from his trip " routine inspection" . But that same person had a LL and got stuff afterwards months later from a different place.

[Martune]

I have had multiple orders flagged and received multiple love letters from canada customs, I was using the same supplier, using the same name, and the same address, and still would receive o future orders for the past 5 years. Since April of this year this has all changed. I have not been able to receive an order from any supplier, which tells me something is flagged! I would guess, possibly my name. but it could also be that customs has commenced using trained dogs, or the countries are flagged (less likely as this sounds like a significant amount of effort... unless dogs are involved). In addition to changing your name slightly, you can also have product shipped to someone else in your household (significant other or?)

[refpoc1]

I really think no one has to worry unless you are dealing in hard drugs, during my roids interest i had a package seized and got a Letter from Customs,,,but that only happend that one time, i think if they flagged anyone it was the company i was getting the roids from, as other deliveries got through, all from europe, - Listen get a mail box is a best bet if you are paranoid, unless you are dealing in hard drugs in which you needto get a New Life and mindset

[alumni]

Yes. This is 2011. Have you ever googled yourself to see what comes up? Have you ever googled your address? All this information is available to anybody with a computer. The military can shoot a cruise missile how many miles away and hit a target? Just for *$(^@ and grins, google yourself, your parents, your neighbor, your boss...anybody and you'll be amazed what you'll see. The government in this day and age can most definitely track your every step...IF they want to.

As you say, it isn't just the government who can find out all of this personal information.
Anyone who uses their own hotmail address as their screen name can be located very easily all over the Internet with very simple search engines.
I've never understood why people don't use more care when posting on public discussion boards, especially any forum where they discuss their drug activity in detail.
Not smart at all, is it?

[monsterpython]

[QUOTE
Anyone who uses their own hotmail address as their screen name can be located very easily all over the Internet with very simple search engines.
I've never understood why people don't use more care when posting on public discussion boards, especially any forum where they discuss their drug activity in detail.
Not smart at all, is it?[/QUOTE]

"Not smart"? Not too shabby if you choose a name that appears real but is entirely fake and very dis-similar to your real name.

[Jhon]

@Martune Ive had the exact same problem, I cant get anything through even small orders under 90ct . If you dont mind me asking what countrys have you been ordering from my orders have been from pak/india maybe theyre cracking down on that area recently?

[crucibelle]

Yes. This is 2011. Have you ever googled yourself to see what comes up? Have you ever googled your address? All this information is available to anybody with a computer. The military can shoot a cruise missile how many miles away and hit a target? Just for *$(^@ and grins, google yourself, your parents, your neighbor, your boss...anybody and you'll be amazed what you'll see. The government in this day and age can most definitely track your every step...IF they want to.

Oh, hell yeah. Big brother in full effect. I've also read that the government have or WILL have satellites that can see/record things going on inside homes. That might just be a conspiracy theory, though. Not sure.

[refpoc1]

@Martune Ive had the exact same problem, I cant get anything through even small orders under 90ct . If you dont mind me asking what countrys have you been ordering from my orders have been from pak/india maybe theyre cracking down on that area recently?

they thing i would suggest is a mailbox from a private company and order from another company

[crabman]

After ordering for years from an email supplier with very good packaging, I received my first LL. This was from Argentina and for a larger amount of product (still for my personal use-I like to stock up). I'm not too happy about this and am still expecting another package from the same supplier. I never had a problem getting orders from Argentina before, even back when CheapArgentinaMeds were sending product in horrible packages that rattled like crazy. I think times are changing, we shall see. Wish me luck!

[jonescrusher]

I wonder if it's the senders address that gets flagged and not the recipient.
It would make more sense to keep a handfull of sender addresses as opposed to a plethora of adresses nation wide.
Comments?

[oioioi123]

I guess it possibly they could flag a person/address on trackable stuff. But most sources I deal with anyway send regular mail no tracking, there's no way in hell the mail sorts are going to read every address/recipient on every letter of mail to see who's flagged or not. That's absurd, tracking is a different store tho. I prefer non trackable regular mail In a regular envelope. Never had a seizure this way

[kineticode]

Hello! Homeland Security times 100 all across the world.Protesters,riots,assassin-nations;You get the picture.Every package,except letters,faces scrutiny of the utmost kind.They figure there can not be too much going on with a letter;That is why the overnight letters are the most successful shipping methods available.Successful orders are becoming a thing of the past,and I am afraid we are all in the same boat full of holes,and we are sinking rather quickly.

[jonescrusher]

Well put @kineticode.Pity that there is no overnight source {that I know of} available here in the Great White North.