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    Default Canada prescription drug importation laws?

    Does anyone know what the laws are with regards to importing drugs into Canada for personal use?

    I've been searching but so far have found nothing. Obviously if it is an unauthorized generic it can be seized... but if generics of that medicine are allowed in Canada and it is an ordinary prescription drug (not a controlled substance) can it still be seized?

    More specifically I'm looking for information on importing finisteride
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    My understanding is that postal imports of any prescription drugs are prohibited, but they're unlikely to seize something like finasteride, especially if you don't order from a red-flagged country.

    Even if they did catch your finasteride, I'd expect no negative consequences unless you were ordering 1000s of tablets.

    Go for it.
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    For schedule F such as viagra, those are Schedule F and that would be considered a civil offense, technically, if customs decided to get serious about it. For controlled substances this is the law. There is no special exemption for personal use in the law. Personally, I know I just wouldn't be sleeping well if I were ordering controlled substances online, but I have never heard of a case which has been prosecuted. So this is the law as stated in the Justice Canada website.

    Section 6

    Importing and exporting

    6. (1) Except as authorized under the regulations, no person shall import into Canada or export from Canada a substance included in Schedule I, II, III, IV, V or VI.

    Possession for the purpose of exporting

    (2) Except as authorized under the regulations, no person shall possess a substance included in Schedule I, II, III, IV, V or VI for the purpose of exporting it from Canada.

    Punishment

    (3) Every person who contravenes subsection (1) or (2)

    (a) where the subject-matter of the offence is a substance included in Schedule I or II, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for life;

    (b) where the subject-matter of the offence is a substance included in Schedule III or VI,

    (i) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years, or

    (ii) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding eighteen months; and

    (c) where the subject-matter of the offence is a substance included in Schedule IV or V,

    (i) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years, or

    (ii) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year.

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    Thanks vievie60 now i cant wait to order from an IOP. LOL If it was that bad and thats what they did, know one would be ordering anything from anywhere. Its not that bad unless your ordering by the thousands every order. Those are the ones they want. Not us little guys who order 40 or 50 meds.
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    Although the discussion is about Canadian law it's not much different in the States.

    I had some of those patches you stick on your back (or wherever) that is supposed to help with inflammation. The drug in it is not scheduled and you couldn't get high you covered your entire body. They wouldn't stick on me properly because my pain is right where your back bends when you are trying to pick something up off the floor. They peeled off and drove me crazy. At the time my sister was using them for her RA and since the patches are incredibly expensive I told her I'd send her the 4 boxes I had.

    Well, the post office opened the box, called me, my doctor and my pharmacist. I had to say it must have been the cleaning crew I had recently fired and laughed that they would take something so silly. It turned really nasty but in the end it was just let go since I couldn't remember the cleaning people's names (it was just 2 individuals that didn't have a company or business card and I was trying them out but if I did know their names I wouldn't have passed it on because it wasn't their fault).

    It was low of me to blame it on some unknown person but they were making a big deal about it and I've never even had a speeding ticket so I didn't want to go to jail.

    To this day I'll never understand why they absolutely freaked over a patch you can basically buy off the shelves of the drugstore but I never mailed any meds after that!

    I figure if they get that upset over sending meds inside the USA that sending or receiving to other countries must be a much larger and uglier fight.

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    lynx4, thank you for posting. These things do happen, it must have been awful to go through something you didn't expect happening.

    Well, in Canada, for drugs such as muscle relaxants, it is not so severe. Another new aspect in our law is importing medicines for animal care, that used to be very lax, but now it is included in the criminal code.

    But for benzos and narcotics, the laws I quoted above are the new revised ones, which we all know the Harper government is known to be very harsh, so these laws are indeed harsh and are part of the criminal code. I know it's a remote possibility to be caught importing controlled substances, but do be careful. Those who do get into trouble will most likely never post on a site such as this.

    Well we do have to deal with the reality of our life sometimes, and these laws are our reality. If I am wrong, and there is a provision for personal use, please post as this would help a lot of people out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vievie60 View Post
    lynx4, thank you for posting. These things do happen, it must have been awful to go through something you didn't expect happening.

    Well, in Canada, for drugs such as muscle relaxants, it is not so severe. Another new aspect in our law is importing medicines for animal care, that used to be very lax, but now it is included in the criminal code.

    But for benzos and narcotics, the laws I quoted above are the new revised ones, which we all know the Harper government is known to be very harsh, so these laws are indeed harsh and are part of the criminal code. I know it's a remote possibility to be caught importing controlled substances, but do be careful. Those who do get into trouble will most likely never post on a site such as this.

    Well we do have to deal with the reality of our life sometimes, and these laws are our reality. If I am wrong, and there is a provision for personal use, please post as this would help a lot of people out there.
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    According to the new Harper Bill C-38, opiates/opiods/canibas are shechule 2, most benzos are are considred sch IV..not so serious, with the exception of ruphies....I have previously posted links to the ammended act..just search a little..find my my link

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    Quote Originally Posted by vievie60 View Post
    lynx4, thank you for posting. These things do happen, it must have been awful to go through something you didn't expect happening.

    Well, in Canada, for drugs such as muscle relaxants, it is not so severe. Another new aspect in our law is importing medicines for animal care, that used to be very lax, but now it is included in the criminal code.

    But for benzos and narcotics, the laws I quoted above are the new revised ones, which we all know the Harper government is known to be very harsh, so these laws are indeed harsh and are part of the criminal code. I know it's a remote possibility to be caught importing controlled substances, but do be careful. Those who do get into trouble will most likely never post on a site such as this.

    Well we do have to deal with the reality of our life sometimes, and these laws are our reality. If I am wrong, and there is a provision for personal use, please post as this would help a lot of people out there.
    __________________________________________________ ______

    According to the new Harper Bill C-38, opiates/opiods/canibas are shechule 2, most benzos are are considred sch IV..not so serious, with the exception of ruphies....I have previously posted links to the ammended act..just search a little..find my my link

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    Quote Originally Posted by vievie60 View Post
    For schedule F such as viagra, those are Schedule F and that would be considered a civil offense, technically
    This is what I'm loking for but I can't find any information directly relating to Schedule F drugs.

    Anybody find anything about it?

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    It's still in the Food and Drug regulations but in a different section. I will try and find this for you.

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    I have an interesting link for you because the person who answered the questions asked was a police officer, he was vague but it does shed some light. It concerned importing lucidril, which I have ordered, it is for those of us who are aging and want to keep alzeimer's in check, but these parcels are sometimes getting seized as well. Interesting page, here is the link.

    Schedule F Drugs... - Answered Question at AdviceScene
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    Ok I received an LL and it clears everything up

    according to Section c.01.045 of the Food and Drug Regulations:
    Schedule F drug importation is prohibited by any person other than
    a) practitioner
    b) registered pharmacist
    c) foreign resident visiting Canada


    OT: Interesting but the LL doesn't have anything mentioning protesting the seizure. It does have a "Voluntary Forfeiture Consent form" although by default the shipment will be forfeited anyways.

    It also asks for the country the drugs are purchased from, internet site, phone number, etc. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by juniperpansy View Post
    Does anyone know what the laws are with regards to importing drugs into Canada for personal use?

    I've been searching but so far have found nothing. Obviously if it is an unauthorized generic it can be seized... but if generics of that medicine are allowed in Canada and it is an ordinary prescription drug (not a controlled substance) can it still be seized?

    More specifically I'm looking for information on importing finisteride
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    Quote Originally Posted by juniperpansy View Post
    Does anyone know what the laws are with regards to importing drugs into Canada for personal use?

    I've been searching but so far have found nothing. Obviously if it is an unauthorized generic it can be seized... but if generics of that medicine are allowed in Canada and it is an ordinary prescription drug (not a controlled substance) can it still be seized?

    More specifically I'm looking for information on importing finisteride
    @juniperpansy

    Bill C-38 regarding contolled substances...most recent info..
    hxxp://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-38.8/

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    Quote Originally Posted by juniperpansy View Post
    Does anyone know what the laws are with regards to importing drugs into Canada for personal use?

    I've been searching but so far have found nothing. Obviously if it is an unauthorized generic it can be seized... but if generics of that medicine are allowed in Canada and it is an ordinary prescription drug (not a controlled substance) can it still be seized?

    More specifically I'm looking for information on importing finisteride
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    Hi, I looked quite diligently for "finasteride", there was nothing at all under fin(i)steride. Even emailed Dep't of justice....importing etc, using a proxied email and just got the standard no info blah blah.

    Searched the contolled substances act under both spellings...Zip

    No idea,
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    during calender year 2010, No 1 selling ethical pharmaceutical in USA.

    My question, what kind of hassle am I getting into for trying to get a Canadian, perhaps, independent, suburban
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    What are my odds of getting a quantity under 50 count, such as 24 to 36 count of Sanofi brand "Talwin P" (50 mg of pure pentazocine) as a USA tourist
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    Quote Originally Posted by juniperpansy View Post
    Ok I received an LL and it clears everything up

    according to Section c.01.045 of the Food and Drug Regulations:
    Schedule F drug importation is prohibited by any person other than
    a) practitioner
    b) registered pharmacist
    c) foreign resident visiting Canada


    OT: Interesting but the LL doesn't have anything mentioning protesting the seizure. It does have a "Voluntary Forfeiture Consent form" although by default the shipment will be forfeited anyways.

    It also asks for the country the drugs are purchased from, internet site, phone number, etc. LOL
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    Just a note about the Food and Drug act which also mentions
    Subject to section A.01.044, no person shall import into Canada for sale a food or drug the sale of which in Canada would constitute a violation of the Act. Key word here is for sale. That is part of the Act, and the regulations, such as regulation Section c.01.045, actually are in response to the statute. So the case for personal use could be made here, so customs is not entirely accurate in seizing a personal shipment, as according to the statute, only food and drugs imported for sale would constitute an offense.

    Until this is played out in the courts, we will never know if we have the right to get medications for personal use.

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    Everything is well explained on the Guidance Document on the Import Requirements for Health Products under Food and Drugs Act and its Regulations (GUI-0084), Section 6.0, Figure 2 – Personal Use Importation Requirements for Human Drugs. Health Canada Site. Check on google the above mentioned Document cause I can't post the weblink

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    i got a letter a few years back and ignored it. Never heard anything about it since, so I think there is no worries.

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