Dealing w/the Family

[Chichi]

Excellent point @Chichi. When the time comes, I will be her mom and make the right move for her future.

Well her coaches let her back on for fall softball and she is going to be their main pitcher. I scheduled 2 apnts a week w/her PT; working on fitting in a 3rd. Hopefully she will recover quickly w/an intense PT program and lots of incentive. I want to see her run. When she does, I think I will fall down and kiss the ground.

It was a crazy day here. I need a vacation. Hey, I am going on one tomorrow. Lucky witch that I am.

Over and out,

Fire

And one more thing @Fireplaces, I realize that your dd's issues are not really from the injury right? From what you describe, her ligaments are loose, have been and always will be unless fixed? This injury she suffered is a result of this weakness, and most likely would not have happened if the ligaments we not loose?

Am I right in my thinking? Cuz if I am, perhaps that is the problem of my dd? Even tho I don't see her much these days, I distinctly remember her often having these weird knee 'moments'. Not really twisting it but it just seamed weak - eh, hard to describe unless you see it happen. After reading your post, I'm beginning to wonder if this could be an issue of loose ligaments. It really makes sense when I think of those knee moments, that buckling but not really completing the buckle at the knees thing. It just screamed weakness.

This is definitely something I'll keep in mind - again, thank you for sharing.

[Lemonhead]

I miss @Jolie. I am gonna email her.

Well I decided to post the update about my dd's knee drs visit here, as this is where most of the posts are located. See prior post here if you are so inclined: Water Therapy

My 10 yr old's drs visit (knee specialist) yesterday was a mixed bag. Her lack of use of her left leg since her torn MCL (4 months ago), has caused her quad muscle to deteriorate where it is not safe for her to run, except under the direction of a physical therapist. After our upcoming vacation to my brothers lake house (leave tomorrow), she is to go 3 times a week. Good news is she can ride on the inner tube my brother pulls the kids on. I bought her a latex brace she can wear when she is riding the tube, or in the boat, but not for swimming. The doctor agrees w/me that too much bracing (especially when unnecessary) is bad.

Anyway, her loose ACL is worse on her left leg and the doc does not think she will outgrow it. It was also loose on the MRI she had a year ago after her other knee injury, as I had him look. He also referred to possible surgery in her later teen years (which she did not really hear I don't think). He said skiing and soccer are the highest risk sports. We are to see him again in 6-8 weeks and I am betting/hoping she can ski w/a brace, as we live in ski country. I like this doctor. I think we found a good one. Plus, he is opening a office close to my town, instead of 1hr+ away in crazy city/highway driving. Small blessings I know.

Also, this am I have to write her new Fall Softball couch and see if they will let her play another restriction 6 week session. All she can do is pitch and there are other older girls on this group/team that are more experienced. But I will just lay it on the line and see what this new coach says.

Part of me thinks that I should have forced the PT over the summer when she had time. But she was not ready and the doctor did not recommend it. Although I could have called back and pushed the issue. But, if one is in pain and not ready to PT, maybe waiting was the right thing to do. Or not. I am not sure if I did the right thing, but all I can do is move forward. As parents we do the best we can.

@Chichi, here's another post on my dd. I am gonna stop bouncing around now and just stay here. @cajunbulldog, I know you have a special interest in knees as you have had years of trouble, so wanted you to see this post. Are you still on the mend?

I have another new sign off. Better than over and out.

Externally optimistic, even if it kills me.

Fire ;-)

@Fireplaces,
I am so happy that you have found a good doc! That makes all the diff. in the world!!!!

I sure hope they let your DD play! That would be awful!

So glad that you update! I am not on the computer much anymore, but when I get the chance, I enjoy reading your posts!!!!

[Jeremy Fisher]

Well first the coaches said my daughter (10) could play restricted softball and this am I got an email, saying she could not.

This fall ball (6 weeks) is in a 12U league and the older girls throw harder, bases are farther, pitching mound is 40 feet not 35. Pitching now requires use of of whole body. All of these are relevant facts new to me, and I certainly don't want to put my dd in a situation where she may be injured during her recovery (torn MCL 4 months ago). Just not crazy about this "yes it's ok; no it's not." But they are all volunteers and I should just be happy they are running this league at all.

The good news is the new head coach wants her to practice her pitching w/the team badly (no games of course, too dangerous). He called our house this am and fortunately my dh was available to talk to him. This coach sees a lot of potential in her and wants her to work w/her on her pitching technique even if she can't play w/out the docs ok.

My husband was home this am and was able to talk my daughter through all this news. Me, i am useless when it comes to injuries, restriction, and related disappointments. He on the other hand worked wonders with my daughter and her attitude.

She was saying she was just some loser. My one usefull statement was to say that if I say a young girl with a brace out there pitching and learning and throwing, knowing she would not be able to play right away -- I would not think loser at all. I would think WINNER.

Life is filled w/trials and tribulations. Just seems harsh for the little ones (10) to learn it so early. But then again, maybe that is easier for them to learn resilience too at that young age.

Hey, I don't want her to get hurt either. She still gets to be part of the team (look at the NBA players who sit out 3/4 of season sitting on suits on the bench) even if she can't play in games for now.

So now my dd is happily preparing an outfit for school tomorrow (1st day) and is looking forward to softball practice later today.

Thank God for small favors, and articulate husbands who chip in.

@Chichi, this current knee injury was 90% likely from her inherently loose ACL not supporting her MCL enough so when she feel, (just from running) her MCL tore a bit.

Her doctor says kids have all sorts of lose and tight ligaments that can or can not cause problems. So it could be an issue for your DD as well. Best defense is an offense (look at me talking sports!), so you daughter should train to build up her calf and other leg muscles that support her knees. Could avoid issues later in life.

That's what we want to do for our daughter but right now, I am just trying to get through this b4 school day! Girls. Have already seen 3 outfits, 2 hair dos and some nail art.

Way better than tears though!

[Bungalobill]

Ms @Fireplaces

I've follwoed this story off and on and wasn't aware that there is possibly an underlying ACL issue. Does the doc think she can play softball with the ACL loose?
I don't have any experience with girls softball but have been involved in youth baseball for some time - the good, the bad, and the ugly - there's lots of each. Bare in mind the coaches don't always have final say in some things. If there is potential liability or injury issues, the board will step in. Some leagues the board steps in on a lot of things leaving coaches with egg on their face.

I think it's a plus that they want her to work out with the team. As a coach, you don't do something like that unless you truly see the potential. You're setting yourself up for bigger problems later on if you're stringing someone along just be be nice.

Having moved from t-ball sized fields all the way to regulation 60/90 fields, you can see the additional stress that is placed on the body. We saw a big difference with the boys going from a 46' pitchers mound to 50'. That's only 4 feet .. in some cases it may as well have been 20 feet.

Lastly for now .. and you probably already know this .. probably the best thing your dd will get out of sports are life lessons if you the parents work at it. The higher up you go, the more drama and politics you will run into. If you're expecting fair .. change your expectations. I'm not saying this to be nasty ... we're living it right now and have heard about it and seen it over and over again. Nobody asked me to like it.

The high school my kids go to is known for it's baseball program .. and family names. My son was upset because despite a good tryout, he didn't make varsity - he'll play JV again this year. There were kids who made the fall varsity team based on their last name. I spent a lto of time talking to my son about the things he can and can't control. he needs to make teh most of teh things he can control .. then spnd some quality time with his friends who also didn't make varsity bitchin and moaning .. then let go of it. I told him we will make varsity next year an we will be there because he earned a roster spot.

Life is like that isn't it? Things aren't fair. Every day we have to make the best use of the things we can influence and let go of the things that are totally out of our control (or at least figure out if we can use them to some advantage somehow).

Usually 12U is where things start getting competitive. On the boys side, the Little League World Series is 12U. I have a friend whose 14 daughter plays fast pitch as a pitcher. He agreed 12U was where it started getting a little more serious on the girls side. i used to thnk baseball was the worst as far as competitive/occasionally nasty/unfair until my girls did competitive dance :-).

[Jeremy Fisher]

Her knee specialist believes that she will be able to play all sports, as her ACL is just a tad loose (left of normal) not horribly loose. But she does need to build up her quad strength so that it can support her knee better, hence the physical therapy, and perhaps wear a support brace for certain sports like skiing. And that DAMN KNEE PAIN better go away, FAR away.

We and she (sort of) are flattered that this sr coach wants to work w/her in practice, as he states her potential as a fast ball picher is high. I believe he is sincere and think everyone is doing the right thing for my dd. I believe that extra 5 feet in pitching and even the bases are farther too (?) will make a huge difference, as you said.

She has the right attitude to be a picher - determination; does not get shaken easily; and has good aim (just a little bit outside sometimes). I would like to see her succeed in a team sport just for the experience. I believe it will happen; just will take some time to heal. She needs to run. The doc thinks she can. Not sure how long the PT thinks it will take. Her first appt is on Monday. This will be her third injury pt'd w/this therapist, a cute perky blond lovely woman who interacts well w/my daughter. Not only does the exercise help, but the therapist gives my dd someone to confide in about her pain and fear of lack of progress. I have great faith in this therapist as she has healed my dd twice in the past. Now it's time to go to 3.

I really appreciate your input as I know you have experience w/all of this and I do not. Sounds like you did a great job explaining how sports as a simile for life is not fair to your son and for the record, not making the varsity team as a jr. coz he was not one of the chosen families just stinks. Glad he will make it next year!

But you are right, that is how life works. We need to realize it and control what we can and accept what we can't. Passing that wisdom onto our children is an important lesson we owe them. Personally growing up, I was pretty clueless about most of this stuff. My sis was telling me I was not even aware of the popular or the sports crowd; I was just in my own world. But my dd is not like that and I have to teach the lessons she needs to survive. Not everyone goes w/my 'oblivious, who cares attitude'.

She is on her way home from a softball practice now w/my dh. He played baseball most of his life (till college) and so I try to make him be the one in charge which he is glad to do when he is available. She is his priority, next to work. He is better w/the rules, the coaches, and her. I am the chauffer and the cheerleader mostly. Hope the practice went well.

Will report periodically on the PT and the practices. Thanks for your help. Means a lot. Oh and I think you are right, the board stepped in on this one; claiming no games till we get the ok w/the doctor. I understand now.

Sincerely,

Fire

[Bungalobill]

Her knee specialist believes that she will be able to play all sports, as her ACL is just a tad loose (left of normal) not horribly loose. But she does need to build up her quad strength so that it can support her knee better, hence the physical therapy, and perhaps wear a support brace for certain sports like skiing. And that DAMN KNEE PAIN better go away, FAR away.

We and she (sort of) are flattered that this sr coach wants to work w/her in practice, as he states her potential as a fast ball picher is high. I believe he is sincere and think everyone is doing the right thing for my dd. I believe that extra 5 feet in pitching and even the bases are farther too (?) will make a huge difference, as you said.

She has the right attitude to be a picher - determination; does not get shaken easily; and has good aim (just a little bit outside sometimes). I would like to see her succeed in a team sport just for the experience. I believe it will happen; just will take some time to heal. She needs to run. The doc thinks she can. Not sure how long the PT thinks it will take. Her first appt is on Monday. This will be her third injury pt'd w/this therapist, a cute perky blond lovely woman who interacts well w/my daughter. Not only does the exercise help, but the therapist gives my dd someone to confide in about her pain and fear of lack of progress. I have great faith in this therapist as she has healed my dd twice in the past. Now it's time to go to 3.

I really appreciate your input as I know you have experience w/all of this and I do not. Sounds like you did a great job explaining how sports as a simile for life is not fair to your son and for the record, not making the varsity team as a jr. coz he was not one of the chosen families just stinks. Glad he will make it next year!

But you are right, that is how life works. We need to realize it and control what we can and accept what we can't. Passing that wisdom onto our children is an important lesson we owe them. Personally growing up, I was pretty clueless about most of this stuff. My sis was telling me I was not even aware of the popular or the sports crowd; I was just in my own world. But my dd is not like that and I have to teach the lessons she needs to survive. Not everyone goes w/my 'oblivious, who cares attitude'.

She is on her way home from a softball practice now w/my dh. He played baseball most of his life (till college) and so I try to make him be the one in charge which he is glad to do when he is available. She is his priority, next to work. He is better w/the rules, the coaches, and her. I am the chauffer and the cheerleader mostly. Hope the practice went well.

Will report periodically on the PT and the practices. Thanks for your help. Means a lot. Oh and I think you are right, the board stepped in on this one; claiming no games till we get the ok w/the doctor. I understand now.

Sincerely,

Fire

Fire,

Looking forward to hearing how this plays out. Sounds like you and your husband have a good tag team thing going. having coached youth ball and been around the game a lot when I wasn't coaching, I see something VERY healthy in your situation that a lot of kids don't have - parental concern and support.

We coaches were sometimes 'surrogate dad' to kids who had a father n the house. Understand clearly I'm not speaking to those situations where one parent is raising the child - my heart goes out to those parents. Cheerlead and encourage -shake them pom poms. The first team my son played on - he was 9 - went 0 for May. You hear about player being 3 for 12 in the last week. Our team lost every game in May.

We had the best group of parents ... wildly cheering every positive. When my son watched ball 4 and got a walk to 1st base instead of swinging at what would have been strike three .. our whole side erupted into the kind of applause normally reserved for Oscar award winners. Of course the ball had bounced twice on it's way to the plate and he shouldn't have swung at it .. but at that age, you never know.

Keep it fun, keep it educational and the rest more than likely will take care of itself.

Two asides:

1)Assuming your dd stays at it, don't be surprised/offended if the coach eventually recommends lessons with somebody. I'll also re-iterate that having her work out with the team is huge in terms of his assessment of her potential.

2) When i told my son he'll make varsity next year .. that was 'prophetic'. There are no guarantees. The only strong indication we have is that a lot of times they don't play juniors on JV unless they're seen as varsity as seniors. A week doesn't go by that he and I don't discuss work ethic.

I need a cool sign off,

bb

[Jeremy Fisher]

When my son watched ball 4 and got a walk to 1st base instead of swinging at what would have been strike three .. our whole side erupted into the kind of applause normally reserved for Oscar award winners.

That's so funny and wonderfully inspiring. Thanks for starting my day w/a big smile. And also thanks for the heads up on maybe private coaching request and clarifying your son's situation for next year. Boy I need to work on work ethic w/my dd. She's a great student, really nice kid, works hard in sports, but you think picking up or doing a chore would kill her.

Also practice went great. My DH ran the batting machine and said my daughter was the one of the top 3 hitters. Pretty good considering she did not hit last year at all.

Now if she can just get through the first day of school and have it go well; all will be well in my world.

Over and out,

Fire

[Jeremy Fisher]

Morning Friends and All Interested Members,

Here's the update on my dd's knee and softball. She is 3-4 weeks into physical therapy 2x a week; she does a 45 min routine 5-7 times a week at home. Her partially torn MCL was 6 months ago, and we discovered she has an inherently loose ACL, same knee. She wears a brace when her knee is at risk and is still not allowed to run for now. She is 10.

She is part of the Fall Ball softball team. She is not playing games as she is still not yet cleared to run and the rules won't let her. Saturdays she goes for their double headers and sits on the bench in uniform, because that is what injured teammates do (and she want to support her team). My dh goes with her. I go w/her when he is out of town on business. She enjoys watching the games but seems bittersweet to me, as I am her mama.

Twice a week she goes to practice and as of yesterday (first time) they let her play in the scrimmage (we have a sister team that practices w/them so its a lot of girls). My husband was there and that makes the coaches feel more comfortable in what they have her do. Some of the coaches are woman who really care about her and her recovery. Usually she just does the drills.

Anyway, last night for the first time in a long time she got to bat, and actually hit the ball and jogged to first! She also caught a pop fly and made a good throw when fielding!

The second practice of the week is for pitchers and catchers only. She is continuing to learn how to pitch, although I already think she's a star. The pitchers/catchers practice is a great focused practice for her.

She is going to be great in Spring Ball. Even if she has to wear her brace, she will definitely be cleared to run WAY b4 then.

What blows my mind is how this poor kids has spent 1/2 of the last three years restricted due to injuries (ankle tendonitis, knee bruise & aggravated ACL, and the latest partially torn MCL and inherently loose ACL).

It's like childbirth; gotta forget and look forward.

Another knee issue I am working on is upcoming school hikes during an 2 overnight field trip. She needs to be able to hike a mile up a mountain and a mile down on her knee. There should be another option of a flatter hike too; the school is checking.

Her PT suggested that I find out what's expected and we will have a dry run here at home first. I thought that was a GREAT idea and so simple. Sometimes we mom's/dad's miss the obvious stuff.

So @Chichi, I hope your back is still better. @Bungalobill, thought you'd be interesting in the softball status. And to @Lemonhead, @teresita, @Jolie, @cajunbulldog, I thought you'd want to see the latest as you have been supporting me for so long. And River, I know you will find this post and don't like the a's. I try to be respectful of what folks like.

Today, things seem good. I am gonna post a story this am (I think) in the parenting thread about how I worked her teacher and her school in a good way yesterday.

As the world turns, (how about that BB? LOL)

Fire

[nola]

Ya being a parent is what xanax was made for,stress and more stress. I go through it daily.3yr old and a 14 yr old with no mom around thats worth a sh!t just me.

[Jeremy Fisher]

Nola, are you a single Dad, or are you making a comment on your mothering skills? I am confused.

[Chichi]

@Fireplaces! Hi! It's been quite a while since we've heard anything, so thanks for the update.

...and, Holy Crap! She ran to first base - well, sorta. Jogged in her case is as good as an Olympic sprint!

I really like what your PT advises, these guys can make or break a recovery and it sound like you got a good one.

You ever used or heard of Nova Care? I just remember them this second - and NO!, this is not a recommendation. They are/were? the worst PT facility I've ever used - their assistants were absolutely horrible and ignorant and should never have been allowed to 'teach' people exercises. lol, sorry, got off topic a bit there. Now watch, your dd IS going to a Nova Care facility - that'd be just my luck! lol Hey, this was pre-surgery 7 yrs ago so perhaps they've improved?

I don't want to taint you happy day, posts and news with details of my back issues - thanks for asking and I wish I could answer in the good. I'll get to that another time tho.

[kineticode]

@nola,You better research the dangers of Benzo addiction,because people have died from withdrawals caused by Benzo addiction.Opiates have similar dangers,but death is very rare with withdrawals from them.

[Bungalobill]

Morning Friends and All Interested Members,

Here's the update on my dd's knee and softball. She is 3-4 weeks into physical therapy 2x a week; she does a 45 min routine 5-7 times a week at home. Her partially torn MCL was 6 months ago, and we discovered she has an inherently loose ACL, same knee. She wears a brace when her knee is at risk and is still not allowed to run for now. She is 10.

She is part of the Fall Ball softball team. She is not playing games as she is still not yet cleared to run and the rules won't let her. Saturdays she goes for their double headers and sits on the bench in uniform, because that is what injured teammates do (and she want to support her team). My dh goes with her. I go w/her when he is out of town on business. She enjoys watching the games but seems bittersweet to me, as I am her mama.

Twice a week she goes to practice and as of yesterday (first time) they let her play in the scrimmage (we have a sister team that practices w/them so its a lot of girls). My husband was there and that makes the coaches feel more comfortable in what they have her do. Some of the coaches are woman who really care about her and her recovery. Usually she just does the drills.

Anyway, last night for the first time in a long time she got to bat, and actually hit the ball and jogged to first! She also caught a pop fly and made a good throw when fielding!

The second practice of the week is for pitchers and catchers only. She is continuing to learn how to pitch, although I already think she's a star. The pitchers/catchers practice is a great focused practice for her.

She is going to be great in Spring Ball. Even if she has to wear her brace, she will definitely be cleared to run WAY b4 then.

What blows my mind is how this poor kids has spent 1/2 of the last three years restricted due to injuries (ankle tendonitis, knee bruise & aggravated ACL, and the latest partially torn MCL and inherently loose ACL).

It's like childbirth; gotta forget and look forward.

Another knee issue I am working on is upcoming school hikes during an 2 overnight field trip. She needs to be able to hike a mile up a mountain and a mile down on her knee. There should be another option of a flatter hike too; the school is checking.

Her PT suggested that I find out what's expected and we will have a dry run here at home first. I thought that was a GREAT idea and so simple. Sometimes we mom's/dad's miss the obvious stuff.

So @Chichi, I hope your back is still better. @Bungalobill, thought you'd be interesting in the softball status. And to @Lemonhead, @teresita, @Jolie, @cajunbulldog, I thought you'd want to see the latest as you have been supporting me for so long. And River, I know you will find this post and don't like the a's. I try to be respectful of what folks like.

Today, things seem good. I am gonna post a story this am (I think) in the parenting thread about how I worked her teacher and her school in a good way yesterday.

As the world turns, (how about that BB? LOL)

Fire

All in all an encouraging report Ms. Fire and I appreciate being kept in the loop. Although physically difficult for your daughter now, this is also character building time. Hopefully all will heal well and she'll be able to play in the Spring. I know about the being in uniform for the games thing. it's a nice touch that teams do .. communicating that you ARE on the squad .. but it's tough just watching.

We're about to start our first PT with my son. First he took a comebacker to the mound last week. Right in the chest. That has killed high school baseball and softball pitchers. He appears to be ok from that. He has mentioned some pain in one of his quads for some time now when he runs .. which he does when he's in center field or on base. Dr. suspects either a strained or torn quadricep muscle. He has recommended pt 3 times a week as well as an MRI of the knee and femur (the xray showed some sort of abnormality on the femur). I'm really hoping for his sake he can play through this, but he may end up doing some of that character building time in uniform on the bench. He did some of bench sitting/character building two years ago .. sat out 2/3 of a season. He did learn that if he's having one of those days where he couldn't stand on the beach and throw the ball in the ocean, it's best not to display your disappointment by punching a concrete dug out wall.
As the World Turns back atcha :-)

[Trampy]

@nola,You better research the dangers of Benzo addiction,because people have died from withdrawals caused by Benzo addiction.Opiates have similar dangers,but death is very rare with withdrawals from them.

Please tell us where we can find information on how common it is to die during benzo withdrawal. I've never heard of a single death if benzos were the only drug involved. In fact, one of the main motivators for the development of the benzos during the late 1950s was to try to completely replace the barbituate drug class with benzodiazepines. The only thing you have right is that deaths from opiate withdrawal are practically nonexistent.

A true statement would be:

"Benzodiazepines are extremely safe drugs compared to the barbituates that preceded them, with very many deaths attributed to barbituate withdrawal, which was often commonly fatal when done without medical supervision. Also, in terms of its withdrawal death potential, opiates are also extremely safe in that regard."

P.S. @Alternate tells me below that benzo-WD death is common knowledge, but that don't mean it's true. If common knowledge is wrong, it's a false myth.

[Alternate]

@Trampy thought this was always just common knowledge.

In old DB forum some nurse made the comment that anyone on 10 milligrams of valium would be put in ICU if they were cold turkeyed off them - that dangerous.

And very high doses of a tranquilzer stopped abruptly has potential of fatal withdrawal seizure. Much like alcohol.

To be honest though have never actually known of anyone getting fatal seizures from a tranquilzer cold turkey w/d - others might have.

Oops, sorry might be hijacking the thread maybe should make new thread about this topic.

[Jeremy Fisher]

We're about to start our first PT with my son. First he took a comebacker to the mound last week. Right in the chest. That has killed high school baseball and softball pitchers. He appears to be ok from that. He has mentioned some pain in one of his quads for some time now when he runs .. which he does when he's in center field or on base. Dr. suspects either a strained or torn quadricep muscle. He has recommended pt 3 times a week as well as an MRI of the knee and femur (the xray showed some sort of abnormality on the femur). I'm really hoping for his sake he can play through this, but he may end up doing some of that character building time in uniform on the bench. He did some of bench sitting/character building two years ago .. sat out 2/3 of a season. He did learn that if he's having one of those days where he couldn't stand on the beach and throw the ball in the ocean, it's best not to display your disappointment by punching a concrete dug out wall.
As the World Turns back atcha :-)

WOW BB, that is a lot of injury in a short time for your son. Let's hope he heals quickly. He punched the dug out wall? Hard? Is his hand ok?

WHAT softball pitchers DIE from "comebackers"? Is that a drive hit to their chest? I picked softball cause I was hoping it was safe. I guess no sports are safe. Life's not safe. But doesn't mean we have to stop living, but we can take a long rest every know and then. At least us old tired parents.

BB, please keep us up to date on your son.

Sincerely,

Fire

[Bungalobill]

Actually .. the dugout wall punching incident was from 2 years ago .. we learned from that one :-). The very good news about that was the break was very clean, the doctor top notch, and everything from that is now ok.

He pitched two innings lst night and was bothered more by the thud in the chest he took last week than his leg. I guess he's still sore :-). This evening they do the MRI.

Film at 11
and thanks for asking :-)

[Jeremy Fisher]

@Bungalobill, how fun to watch your son pitch two innings. I trust he pitched well. If he didn't, did he handle it well?

My husband as a 16 year old punched a hole in his bedroom wall w/his cane. One of his teammates stepped on the top of his foot, the front of his ankle and made a big hole. They could not sew the hole closed; he had to fill it w/hydro peroxide at night as it slowly healed. Very painful. So he took his cane and punched it through the wall, he was so angry and tired of the pain.

His mom who had already begun her chronic pain journey understood and talked him down. His dad was like WHAT?!? A hole?!?

Young men are passionate and I wish your son the best. Please let us know how his MRI results go. I too hope it is a minor injury, with which he can still play.

Best Wishes,

Fire

[Jeremy Fisher]

@Chichi and others,

I reread your post about how my dd's knee issue is that her ACL is loose. You are right. I have been in denial I think. I don't know if she is ever going to get better. I do know that strengthening her other leg muscles will help support her knee. I do know that her knee hurts less now than in did in April when she first injured it.

The PT is restoring the muscle mass she lost when it was injured but then I think we are back to square 1, w/loose ACL(s).

I need to know if she should always wear knee support for sports. I need to know if the pain is ever going to go completely away. I will ask her knee specialist these questions when we see him next in a week or two.

I recently saw a very interesting show on Dr. Oz (where's that OP that politely discussed how lame Dr Oz was w/me?). Dr. Oz said that the current thinking is that chronic pain is in itself a disease.

Our body/mind learns pain pathways and simply does not forget them. So after an injury is healed, the mind still feels pain.

That's been my theory for a while. Glad to hear it validated. So I worry that this is what will happen to my DD. 2 years of chronic knee pain (same knee) w/a year of healthy in between. Just don't know. Keep going on faith.

And @snowangel308, you asked about her finger and the doctor. She slammed her finger in the car door last Friday. Monday Dr. said, he didn't want to relieve the pressure (blood) under her nail, as that can introduce bacteria. That she would lose the nail and the next one will come in bumpy. After that, she should be fine. No permanent damage but the process will take months. I had my chiro xray her as a favor and there's no fracture that we can see in the finger bone.

So we are trying to decide if she should go to softball pitching practice tonight. If that nail gets hit by a ball, it will hurt but if we have it bandaged up tight, it won't tear off prematurely. And she wants to go. She already can't play in the games. But can't let the inmates run the asylum.

Any thoughts?

Fire

[Jeremy Fisher]

Well she went to the weekly catcher and pitchers only practice and was aok. Finger hurt but no big deal.