Ibogaine Miracle

[crwhitlock]

I was taking 115 mg of Oxy IR on a day to day basis. I had tried to ween down numerous times but never managed to stay down. The process was so brutal that by the end of it I just wanted to have some relief and not feel awful for a little while. The dose would gradually start going back up again and I'd be right back where I started. This cycle was repeated for 3 years while in pain management. I was surfing the internet one night when I was suffering, looking for any advice from other people going through withdrawl when I came across a post about ibogaine. I researched it for a few weeks and finally started looking for a source. Well, I finally found one. Overnight delivery, and the next morning I took the plunge. I didn't do a "flood" dose because I was scared so I took half of the flood. It planted me in bed for a few hours and I "dreamed" a lot about my childhood. It wasn't unpleasant just strange. I didn't have any withdrawl symptoms all day and took a half of a 15mg IR that night just to see if my tolerance had come down at all. That half a pill looped me out. I've managed to stay at 30 mg a day for about a week now in total comfort. I'm writing about this because it has been the best thing in my life in a long time. I was withdrawing on anything less than 100mg a day and in one day I dropped down to 30 mg with zero discomfort. Anyone else out there suffering, I'm telling you look into Ibogaine. It takes a while to find a source but it's worth the search. I found a pretty good one, your welcome to PM me and i'll give it to you. I don't want to post it publicly because I don't know if it's against the rules. If a mod gives me the thumbs up to post the link I will.

[Utopiate]

I have been following the ibogaine stories for several years with great interest. It really seems to be a potential modern miracle.

I doubt though, that I could muster up the courage to take it myself. The stories of hard core LSD-like trips may have scared many away from the treatment. My anxiety threshold couldn't take anything like that. I'm hoping that medical scientists will be able to use ibogaine to create a treatment that is less stressful for the patient.

Actually, yours is the first ibogaine story I've read that didn't involve a psychedelic mental safari. Please tell me more.

[crwhitlock]

I was pretty scared going into it as I had read those type of stories as well. I didn't take a full "flood" dose which is probably why my experience was mild. Honestly it wasn't negative or uncomfortable at all. It actually felt good. I can't tell you how much it helped my mind. It's like an anti-depressant, anti-anxiety, combined together and put on steroids. I was and still am at total peace. Then on top of that it took my opiate dose down from over a hundred to 30 mg in like 4 hours. I probably could of just stopped totally but I do take pain medication from a doctor for a reason so I wasn't really trying to quit but just dramatically reduce my tolerance. I was withdrawing pretty hard on 75mg a day. After I did the ibogaine I can take 5mg of Oxy and feel amazing. There is no doubt that it reset my opiate receptors. Overall, anyone reading this who is struggling with opiate problems and anxiety/depression, words can't describe what this stuff can do for you. It is the greatest change that has ever taken place in my life. Don't get so caught up in the crazy stories you read, I really think those are based on people taking a very large dose. Maybe if your a hard core heroin addict you would need a huge dose. For people taking pills, a small to a moderate dose of ibogaine is going to cut your tolerance WAY down. You could go from 8-9 pills a day to 1-2. The inner peace that you get from ibogaine is something you have to experience for yourself, me trying to explain it doesn't do it any justice. It's so sad that more people don't know about this medicine.

[Perromaldido]

I guess they keep denying use of Iboga in all the Western World - and mybe farther on too - cause it'd screw their 'little' dope biz. There's an exception though, Norway. There they'll do that for you in an inpatient setting with medical supervision, which I'd like because major psychonaut trips are definitily not my cup of tea.

Perromaldido

[alumni]

Under the right medical supervision, ibogaine has shown some positive results with discontinuing opiate addiction.
However, I think it has a very tricky induction process and absolutely should not be self-medicated.
Despite the opinion noted by the original poster, this drug is not a "miracle" by any stretch of the imagination. Especially when someone tries to experiment with it without any professional oversight in a medical environment.
Ibogaine has shown some serious adverse reactions with many psychiatric medications along with exacerbating undiagnosed heart conditions.
I would never advise anyone to attempt to use this very powerful psychedelic on their own.

[crwhitlock]

I have done it, it doesn't sound like you have. It IS a miracle drug, I can verify that. It is actually very safe, much safer than abusing opiates. Do your research, get a physical if you want before hand to make sure you don't have any heart troubles you don't know about. Lets not forget here people that this is the root of a shrub.. Not some crazy chemical cooked up in a lab. The plants of the earth like marijuana, mushrooms, ibogaine are the remedies for humans that the earth has provided. It's insane that the government has convinced us all to hand over the keys to our own consiousness. The reason these plants are illegal is because you can't patent them, thus you can't make billions of dollars. Google "U.S millitary guarding poppy fields" this will help you understand why the government doesn't want the cure to opium addiction available to the public. It's a smear campaign that has scared everybody about ibogaine. I took it, it was nothing like the crazy stories you read. Your basically just dreaming about your past.

[alumni]

I'm not saying that, under the right medical supervision, ibogaine is not potentially helpful in discontinuing opioid addiction.
I'm just saying that I believe it should not be done by buying it from some shady Internet web site and attempting to self-medicate yourself with it.
The fact that it is a "plant of the Earth" has nothing to do with anything.

[crwhitlock]

Ibogaine is not potentially helpful in discontinuing opioid addiction hugh? It shouldn't be done by buying it from some "shady" internet website? You may want to keep in mind that your saying that in a forum that is entirely dedicated to the topic of people buying drugs and medicine on the internet. Your making statements based on nothing but your personal opinion. I'm making statements based on real experience. If you don't want to take ibogaine then don't, but acting like you know that it's inherently dangerous and ineffective based on nothing isn't helping anything. Remember when marijuana was extremely dangerous, made people crazy, and killed people? Until people finally realized that it was nothing but false propaganda the government was very successful at scaring people away from a beautiful plant. Yes it does mean something that it's a plant. Do you have any idea how many people die every year from pharmaceutical drugs? Hundreds of thousands. Are you saying that they are all dangerous as well and shouldn't be purchased over the internet and used without doctor supervision? If so, I believe your on the wrong website here.

[timeforchange]

If you don't mind me asking, what type did you use (rb,ta, etc), and how much? I have been microdosing but have yet to do a full flood (actually don't have the time away from work or my family) so I was considering do a moderate yet smaller dose.

[crwhitlock]

I used HCL which is the safest and cleanest form of ibogaine. My dose was 1 gram. I took it at night, layed down for a couple hours, and fell asleep. The next morning I slept in still in a "dreamy" state. I woke up at about 11 and had some mild tracers but by 1:00 I was totally back to normal. I've been really calm and peaceful since I did it.

[Utopiate]

and had some mild tracers but by 1:00 I was totally back to normal

I'm sure you can understand how that sort of report is still scary to someone who has been treated for anxiety for decades. I'm not sure if I could handle it. Once anxiety gets the best of me, I doubt that I would be in a mental condition to say 'oh well, just some mild tracers' and go about my day.

Do you think it would still be effective if the individual taking the ibogaine literally slept though the whole experience? It's well within my means to see to it that I stayed asleep for a day or so.

[H20shed65]

@crwhitlock
I'm glad you were able to achieve what you wanted with the use of Ibogaine. I must agree with @alumni though in some respects. Your personal experience is anecdotal and cannot be construed as proof positive that Ibogaine is safe and effective for others. You are correct that plants are the basis of a great many drugs, legal and illegal, however, just because something is "natural" or from the Earth does not make it safe or effective. Arsenic, while not a plant, occurs naturally. Likewise, the nightshade family of plants, from which Belladonna alkaloids come, can be both curative and toxic depending on dosage and what one is treating.
All in all though, I'm pleased the Ibogaine experience was a positive one for you and that you suffered no ill effects.

[alumni]

There are dozens of "plants of the Earth" that are dangerous and even fatal if ingested.
Hemlock, jimson weed and mistletoe for starters. "From the Earth" means basically nothing when discussing the safety or dangers of substances.

[Good Apollo]

Not to mention how many people DUI into something and kill themselves while stoned off their asses on a green plant of the earth...

[crwhitlock]

I'm not saying that plants do not have any danger, obviously they can be dangerous. I'm simply stating that the number of people who die off pharmaceutical drugs is dramatically higher than the number of people who die from plants. Since this website is largely dedicated to the purchase and usage of pharmaceutical drugs off of the internet I don't think it's fair to be critical of ibogaine as being too dangerous to use off of a website and without a doctor. If your willing to assume the risk of purchasing and ingesting pharmaceutical drugs off the internet without a doctors supervision I don't see how it's logical to be fearful of purchasing and ingesting ibogaine, a root that grows naturally in the ground. If things like vicodin, valium, etc were not something the government made hundreds of millions of dollars off of you can be sure they would label them as the most deadly substances on earth. And just for the record the few deaths that have occurred in relation to ibogaine were thought to be caused from an overdose of opiates. The reason this happens is someone will use ibogaine, thus removing the opiate tolerance they had, and they will then go and use opiates in the same amounts they did when they had a high tolerance and they overdose. Yes it is possible to overdose on ibogaine itself, you would have to be grossly negligent with your dosage to do it. Human beings are fragile, people die playing basketball due to unknown heart conditions. I am simply stating it's unfair to make ibogaine out to be this dangerous killer. My personal opinion is that unless your totally out of control with heroin or oxy's, there is no reason you would need to use a "flood" dose of ibogaine. A small dose of ibogaine is going to cut your tolerance in half or more, you wont go through some crazy trip, and your health risk is going to be astronomically small. Anyone who struggles with opiate dependence knows, the ability to cut your tolerance in half, in one night is simply priceless. Personally I feel a lot better knowing that I have a dose of ibogaine put away for the rainy day I may run out of meds for whatever reason. It's nice to know I don't ever have to worry about going into brutal withdraw even if I do find myself without any meds. Obviously this is all just my opinion and experience that I wanted to share as I felt it might do someone else as much good as it did me. I'm in no way trying to push people to do something they're uncomfortable with. I have no interest other than to share something I felt could be valuable to others.

[alumni]

@crwhitlock There are clinical studies published that actually deal with this subject.
The results thus far clearly indicate that there are potential risks with ibogaine use. I don't know specifically where you discovered medical data confirming your stated estimate of three deaths but even an organization like MAPS (which is very supportive of psychedelic drug use) has found a larger percentage of deaths.

[dingleberry]

Not to mention how many people DUI into something and kill themselves while stoned off their asses on a green plant of the earth...

forget it i'm not going to go there lets stay on topic. Is it safe to experiment with small dose or not?

[GoingBananas]

I always keep in mind that everything on this board is said by most of us as "lay people" who are not experts in the pharmacological designs and various other issues that are behind medications.

That being said, I still appreciate the information @crwhitlock and I did find this interesting article about some basic non-lab studies that produced some really amazing results if they are true.

http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/p234_s.pdf

Certainly something to give people hope. Although as with anything, if we attempt to be chemists without the proper knowledge of test tubes something is bound to blow sooner or later!!!

Thanks everybody for this board.

[Keith K Stone]

More Ibogaine info >Ibogaine can end Drug Addiction in 24 hours

[otherroom]

yeah, I watched that documentary on the guys that went down to mexico or wherever to get the ibo treatment and they tripped out.. HARD!, and not to mention they did not stay sober. Scared the SH!^ out of me! I did opiates to feel like I'm back in the womb and be at peace, so crwhitlock your experience is interesting, to say the least. I too, hope that ibo can revolutionize the opiate addiction world. I am grateful for suboxone and 12 step recovery, but that cant be the end of it????