Has Anyone Tried Kratom?

[screwtape]

I have used it and didn't like it. For some reason herbs like this or pot-weed don't have any effect on me. But the guy I bought it from put in capsules so it was easier to take. You to be able to get it on EBAY but i'm not sure if you can anymore...

Screw...

[Skyrider]

Kratom really help me to come off of pain meds. And I still enjoy it from time to time. For me kratom is a miracle wonder worker!

[shkdwnst]

Doing a toss ' wash method with a hole container of .5g of 25ox will leave you as if you have insulated 80mg on OC. I know I tend to over dues everything But it you take enough your receptor can't tell the difference. You nod, pinpoint poupils, itch like crazy..all the classic symptoms as a shot of goo dope. But keep it upi, and u'll be just as sick.

If you can use opiates responsibly(and handle the taste), than you should be fine. But if you're like the majority of us. it will have a negative impact on your like as well.

Price wise, it can be cheaper to buy dope anyway...

Just a heads up from someone who went crazy on kratom for a year or some...ymmv

[ronix]

it's cheap and a lot of it will give you a decent buzz, not the best substitute though.
tastes horrible, i can't stress that enough.
i've thrown up on it once

[vyudo]

Doing a toss ' wash method with a hole container of .5g of 25ox will leave you as if you have insulated 80mg on OC. I know I tend to over dues everything But it you take enough your receptor can't tell the difference. You nod, pinpoint poupils, itch like crazy..all the classic symptoms as a shot of goo dope. But keep it upi, and u'll be just as sick.

If you can use opiates responsibly(and handle the taste), than you should be fine. But if you're like the majority of us. it will have a negative impact on your like as well.

Price wise, it can be cheaper to buy dope anyway...

Just a heads up from someone who went crazy on kratom for a year or some...ymmv

price wise cheaper to buy dope than kratom? Haha i dont know your sources man but i can get a pound of powder for $25, any strain I want. It can give quite the buzz in the right dose/strength. I've been using kratom along with opiates every day for 5+ years now...

it's cheap and a lot of it will give you a decent buzz, not the best substitute though.
tastes horrible, i can't stress that enough.
i've thrown up on it once

It is one of the most vile tasting herbs that's for sure! I got used to it though and can now just throw the powder on my tongue and toss it back with a shitload of water. my kratom-induced gag-reflex is no more

[sniffleton]

I have heard of people using this stuff to wean off opiates. I have only used kratom recreationally and honestly could not tell the difference between the different strains I received in the pack. The way i got it down was buy one of those single serving OJ's (I think Puricana makes a lowER calorie one I got). I took about 2 sips out of that, then dumped my dose (I think about 7-8 grams) into the bottle, shook like crazy and drank it down. Since there was nasty, green residue in there, I put about 2 oz of water in the same bottle, shook again, and tried to get the rest down. The stuff is OK, but I would never compare the max grams I ingested (probably 12-15) to OC or anything. So this probably just affects people differently. I think I wrote this before, but the best "buzz" i got off of it was like I took a low dose vicodin. Smaller doses gave me a bit of energy. But, I'll put it to you this way-I ordered it once and don't plan to buy it again. It could be helpful to others though... for different purposes!

one other thing, after eating kratom for 3 days straight, it lost its effect on me. So I waited bout 3-4 more days before eating it again. Seems that tolerance builds really quickly for this.

[m3nt0r]

I've tried kratom several times a few years ago when it was available on ebay. I bought gelatin capsules along with it and packed them myself. Gave me a great buzz but the price and hassle of capsuling it put me off. I would definitely do it again if given the chance.

[britt-bleu]

Wow! I can't believe I've never heard of it! Is it legal in the US? If so, is it a controlled med/herb like THC? FDA approved?

[teresita]

Wow! I can't believe I've never heard of it! Is it legal in the US? If so, is it a controlled med/herb like THC? FDA approved?

It is legal but it is not FDA approved. It is sold as incense and it is not controlled. But on the downside, there is another thread that it is reported that the DEA is currently investigating a trend of abuse with kratom

[Molecular]

Please keep in mind that kratom itself can cause dependency (both physical and psychological.) I know that it helps people wih opiate withdrawals and certain other medical conditions, which is a good thing. However it is not a completely benign herb. And it can cause tremors and overstimulation and withdrawals in people who have used high doses daily. Please no one take offense at this post. I just wanted to make clear my thoughts on the matter, from a lot of personal experience. I just feel some caution in this area is warranted.

[GeorgiaShakes]

I am 43 years old, have had chronic pain for over ten years, and was addicted to Rx pain meds. I am married and a professional engineer with children. (wanted folks to know where I am coming from on this)

Yes! I have used this herb, and am currently seeing what strain can help me with my chronic back pain. I found this when searching for help trying to kick my Rx pain med addiction (a legal addiction)
For withdrawal help this is an amazing plant, it completely eased my WD and helped me get clean, really can't say enough about that! A side effect for me, is this plant completely switches off my back pain, I mean like some one throwing a switch! I do not know (yet) if this is the brand I got (called OPM from a local smoke shop) or the herb itself. I am currently trying different pure leaf strains to see what species works best for me, or if the OPM brand has some other added ingredients(which is what I suspect). There is a lot of misinformation about this plant out there, and a lot of bogus web sites, etc. If you are looking for a legal high, you should keep looking...while this has reported opiate like effects, it seems most folks have to do large quantities of it to get that kind of effect, and like everything else in this world, it can be abused and it appears that for some people, the downside of abusing it can be steep.
This plant has valid medicinal uses, and has been used for 1000's of years in Asia and I can say that it has helped me.
Two very good web sites with educational information on this herb are;
ww.murple.net/yachay/index.php/Kratom
and
ww.kratomassociation.org
I Hope this helps!
GS

[mdavis6565]

@teresita How often are you able to take this at low doses to get the stimulating affects? I have a feeling I may respond to it like I did when I took Tramadol for a month (was a great month), but even taking it twice a day I did not build a tolerance or experience any WDs. Tram is not an option now since I am on Wellbutrin but I have not heard anything about Kratom causing seizures so I figure I will give it a try, but I would rather be able to use it frequently at low doses. Phenibut is doing wonders for me but it needs to be used very infrequently. I am hoping I could get a little more consistency with Kratom in the mix.

[teresita]

@teresita How often are you able to take this at low doses to get the stimulating affects? I have a feeling I may respond to it like I did when I took Tramadol for a month (was a great month), but even taking it twice a day I did not build a tolerance or experience any WDs. Tram is not an option now since I am on Wellbutrin but I have not heard anything about Kratom causing seizures so I figure I will give it a try, but I would rather be able to use it frequently at low doses. Phenibut is doing wonders for me but it needs to be used very infrequently. I am hoping I could get a little more consistency with Kratom in the mix.

I take it with a babyspoon, rounded slightly. Im not sure how much that is, its the finely powdered so maybe it is 1-2 grams. And my favorite for energy is maeng da. I use it on some days every 4 hrs but Ive been trying to cut back because it seems nothing is putting any pep in my step lately, thought maybe my tolerance was building but life is also wearing me out too.

[mdavis6565]

Well I am getting a top shelf sample pack today that includes maeng da. I am guessing that most of the time I will be looking for the smaller dose affects. I have been doing OK with Phenibut 3 days on and 3 days off but would actually like to cut it back a little more - I really don't want any long term tolerance to it. I am thinking that if I stick to the smaller doses of Kratom I may be able to get away with 5 on and 2 off then using the Phenibut on the other 2 days.

[arizona]

I have used it and didn't like it. For some reason herbs like this or pot-weed don't have any effect on me. But the guy I bought it from put in capsules so it was easier to take. You to be able to get it on EBAY but i'm not sure if you can anymore...

Screw...

Ebay stopped allowing kratom to be sold. There are a number of reliable places to order it from though. Summer is honestly the best time to order, that I've found. Must be the right season or something because it always affects me in a stronger way during the summer.

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it's cheap and a lot of it will give you a decent buzz, not the best substitute though.
tastes horrible, i can't stress that enough.
i've thrown up on it once

If you've thrown up you took too much I've done it too. I've found that less is more.

It is legal but it is not FDA approved. It is sold as incense and it is not controlled. But on the downside, there is another thread that it is reported that the DEA is currently investigating a trend of abuse with kratom

This has been going on for years now, was back when I started ordering four years ago.

[arizona]

That is not possible. You cannot get that high off of kratom. It would be illegal immediately if you could. It's been around for years. People don't even bother because it's not strong enough. The liquid extracts, even the most potent and powerful and pure are not enough to get you high enough to act like a completely doped up opi/heroin addict. Kratom has a ceiling effect, like codeine. You start to experience negative side effects right when you are about to get a good high. So you are left with taking enough to get a good buzz, but not that good.

Seriously, she must be mixing the kratom with fent patches and heroin and alcohol and benzos.

Think about it. If kratom were that good... why would anyone be on here looking for hydro and oxy at extreme prices?

I was going to post something similar but I'm no newcomer to opiates and my best batch of kratom felt exactly as though I had taken 80mg of oxycontin. You have to find just the right dosage, combined with just the right batch. Summertime is the best for potency, I've found.

And DON'T combine a long haul with ampetamines/uppers followed by coming off with kratom. It might work well for opiates, but not anything that increases your heart rate. Yes, this should be common sense, but some of us apparently lack in that department sometimes.

My experience: took kratom every day for two years straight. Bali and OSThai were my preferred strains. Did not like Maeng Da, unlike a lot of others. Tried a number of other strains too but Bali and OST were it for me. Would take about every two to four hours from the time I woke up to the time I went to bed. (Yes, I have an addictive personality ) My tnw method was reposted on a previous page. Found it to be more effective than the gelcaps but I didn't experiment with those much. Too much of a hassle, and buying straight powder was much more efficient than prepackaged gelcaps.

As I posted above, less is more with kratom. 2g was too much for me (though I am small-framed). A good dose for me hovers around a teaspoon. (I've never bothered to weigh it out.) Anything more than just the right amount and I either don't feel it or I get nauseous. Taking too much also increases tolerance. There is a sweet spot with kratom dosage, and this has to be adjusted slightly when you get a new strain or batch.

As for tolerance, like I said, I took it every day for two years. The only time I developed real tolerance was when I took more than my normal dosage or when I took the extracts. A day or two away, or decreasing my dosage would reset my tolerance, and I could take the same amount as before for desired effects. I never developed darkened skin. The only withdrawals I really experienced at any time were psychological (because of my addictive personality). It consistently felt like I was taking a decent dosage of opiates. The effects varied by batch. I could tell a good batch from a not-so-good batch. The best batch felt, as I said, like I had taken 80mg oxycontin. Generally, it was more along the lines of taking 2-3 percocet with no tolerance.

I have anxiety problems. I have started taking kratom again, though not like before, and believe kratom slightly increases my anxiety, contrary to some others' experiences. I've also experienced increased heart rate at times, which may be due to the anxiety. My heart is not the best thanks to long time anemia.

I experienced decreased hunger, and would go days where I only ate a bowl of cereal or two a day. I also suffer from depression, which may have added to this or been the cause of it. Long term use caused minor constipation, not as bad as opiate use but definitely there.

Candied ginger and alka-seltzer helped with nausea. Grapefruit juice and cimetidine were good potentiators (although this would increase tolerance too).

Hope it's okay to post sources- doing so because others have. I've found Kratom Forest and Flagler Cafe to have great products. From now until the end of summer is the best time to order, in my opinion.

[notredame]

I tried Kratom for a couple of weeks, while going through some really atrocious muscle pain from my fibromyalgia. It got to the point where my legs hurt too badly to walk from one room to another. Going to the bathroom was he**. You get the picture.

So, I ordered three ounces of 15x extract Kratom--it came in pills. I tried alternately taking eight pills at a time and dumping the contents of eight capsules into a cup of hot water. I got about as much pain relief as I would have gotten if I'd taken four aspirin--which I can't take because aspirin causes me to have really bad stomach pain--which is to say not an awful lot of relief. I still wasn't able to walk on my legs after two days drinking hot water with Kratom pills every six hours.

It is most definitely not worth it for the money that most kratom sellers charge. It's maybe as good a pain reliever as a typical NSAID. Maybe if you were taking it as a stimulant it would be more effective, but I really needed a pain killer and it didn't serve as an efficient pain killer for me. It's too bad because it's at least legal and reasonably easy to get.

[PATRICKZ]

I've tried it. If you're expecting it to feel like a handful of hydros, you'll be disappointed. But it does provide a pleasant but _very_ mild glow. For an evening apertif I like to mix kratom with kava kava. Makes a nice pleasant and relaxing combo.

I find it most useful for extending whatever opiates you have. A mix of the two does seem more potent than either alone. As others have said, the taste is utterly vile, beyond belief. It amazes me that people can talk (with a straight face) about making a tea with it. Nonsense.

My recommendation is that you buy the crumbled dry leaf rather than the extract or powder. You can make your own powder in a coffee grinder. And the differences in the variety of leaf are just excuses for the seller to charge more for something that's not one whit more effective. I recommend the dry leaf because that seems to be where the most bang for your buck is.

I just washed down the nasty stuff with water, but I highly recommend using gelatin capsules to package up the powder. Keeps you from dry-gagging on the nastiness, and makes it easy to titrate your dose, so long as you're consistent in filling them.

Edit: To the poster who posted right before me, I note that you mixed your extract with water to take it. Please note that my comment at making tea from it being "nonsense" was not directed at you. It's directed at the many kratom-selling websites that tell people that a pleasant tea can be made from it. Just like a good old cup of Earl Grey. NOT. Unless Earl Grey makes you vomit.

[brienzi]

Haven't tried the kratom, anyone have a GOOD site to but and try from?
Currently trying the opanna..not 2 bad IMO..

[itis]

@brienzi try herbresearch.com . If your taking opana your definetly going to need an extract. Or the pure 8%powder if its in stock. Just the regular leaf works great on opiate intolerant and slightly tolererant people very well. Cheers