Being stoned

[TenaciousE]

If someone wanted to live a life chasing eupharia they should become a heroin addict. Heroin is much easier to score that opiates and at least the government will help you.

LOL @Aven - "Heroin attack"

sorry, I have nothing else to offer on this thread

I hate this flipping auto-correct on my mobile! I corrected the sentence.

Oh well, at least it made someone laugh!

[poocheroo]

Man, I cant stand cannabis.

It turns me into the most anxious paranoid piece of crap on earth lol. SO no, it doesnt help me.

I do think it should be legal however, along with every other drug. Cut out the black market that causes more crime and death then needed.

LET people choose what drugs theyre gonna take, because that ARE going to choose what drugs they wake whether you say its ok or not stupid government!

Totally with you on this. MJ gives me the worst panic attacks. Hate the stuff but yes I agree it should be legal.

[auskick]

i definaltey think some peoples pain is psyco sematic, that dosent make it less real or less worthy of medicating. i read they are using trammadol to treat depression now.... fancy that.

[Perromaldido]

@poocheroo Ever noticed how bad is indica for pain attacks, paranoia etc? I gave up MJ for years because it would consistently result in bad times. Some months ago a guy (he's one of the folks who know all about MJ and even grows his own wares for personal use) sworn that a full sativa would work quite on the opposite. I still had many doubts and didn't want to test that on me..... but when he finally talked me into it i tried and...incredible...that's true! Anyone else figured this out or better, does it work the same for anyone?

Perromaldido

[minaret]

@poocheroo Ever noticed how bad is indica for pain attacks, paranoia etc? I gave up MJ for years because it would consistently result in bad times. Some months ago a guy (he's one of the folks who know all about MJ and even grows his own wares for personal use) sworn that a full sativa would work quite on the opposite. I still had many doubts and didn't want to test that on me..... but when he finally talked me into it i tried and...incredible...that's true! Anyone else figured this out or better, does it work the same for anyone?

Perromaldido

finally, something on this forum, that a newbie can offer an opinion on!!! while everyone reacts differently to different strains and grades of cannabis, I find that those strains of the sativa persuasion tend to create MUCH less anxiety/paranoia for me. Sometimes the size of the dose taken(my scientific sounding way of saying "number of bong rips") also plays into those particular side effects. Also, different delivery methods i.e. smoking vs. oral ingeastion can change the perceived effect. Sadly, not everyone gets the love from the ganj that I do. #BeKind!

[etinin]

Doctors get people hooked on benzos...
If that's okay, I don't see how codeine can't be ok for anxiety.

[COSGringo]

I had a card for MJ. It made me nerved out sometimes too. I tried all the strains. Some were better than others but it made me want to drink to deal with the paranoia. Drinking was always my downfall and big reason I went to MJ.
So much for that. Plus the feds are cracking down on MJ here. Technically can't buy a gun if I have a MJ card so I let mine expire.

I think it might end up legal here soon though. Can't wait to see what happens with the feds then...

[cherrybomb]

I had a card for MJ. It made me nerved out sometimes too. I tried all the strains. Some were better than others but it made me want to drink to deal with the paranoia. Drinking was always my downfall and big reason I went to MJ.
So much for that. Plus the feds are cracking down on MJ here. Technically can't buy a gun if I have a MJ card so I let mine expire.

I think it might end up legal here soon though. Can't wait to see what happens with the feds then...

Sorry @COSGringo but your post is totally confusing??

You did get a card for...i'm assuming medical purposes, so it is legal but you were still paranoid? Why?

If you get the "okay" and the card to be able to have MJ...what's the big deal???

Also "you can't buy a gun" ??? I would hope not if you have paranoia this severe.....

[COSGringo]

Sorry about the confusion cherrybomb.
The paranoia came from using the product. Nothing crazy like people waiting around corners for me. It just did not jibe well with me. Don't know how I did so much when I was a kid.

The gun thing is that I like the option of buying one to go hunting this next season.

Nothing off the wall.

[etinin]

Well, marijuana in low dosages is one thing but when you smoke too much, it's overwhelming.
It sucked so much once that I wrote on a paper "I've never had a good trip", not sure if I would even survive to see that, so I could remember afterwards that it always sucked when I took too much. When you notice you're a little stoned is the time to stop. Many of the effects take a while to kick in.

[dingleberry]

Yeah I dont know I have used the stuff for over ten years it makes me anxious for sure I can only use it with a drink or a benzo. When you get "tooo stoned" like when you eat a way too strong browny or force yourself to keep smoking way too powerful herb it can be a very uncomfortable experience. Paranoia, anxiety, feeling like your going to die. Not fun, herb has potential but I enjoyed more when I was a kid for some reason.

[auskick]

smoking weed once the pain meds have almost completly worn off can kinda bring them back on... not sure of the specifics of this but i like doing it every now and then.... i also used to smoke weed daily for a few years when i was doing martials arts... i found it helped conceptually.

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also the only way to die form smoking weed is to ingest it... paranoia sucks but it wont kill you i have had to mind myself of this a few times when i had smoked too much.... i could hear dogs barking and thought they were coming for me!!! WTF

[etinin]

smoking weed once the pain meds have almost completly worn off can kinda bring them back on... not sure of the specifics of this but i like doing it every now and then.... i also used to smoke weed daily for a few years when i was doing martials arts... i found it helped conceptually.

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also the only way to die form smoking weed is to ingest it... paranoia sucks but it wont kill you i have had to mind myself of this a few times when i had smoked too much.... i could hear dogs barking and thought they were coming for me!!! WTF

Trust me:
The pharmacological details don't matter when you're having a bad trip (that applies to any drug), even if know all the details and you logically know you won't die, your paranoid side will create some crazy explanation for some bizarre reaction that might kill.
You need to go through a lot of bad trips before you learn to really handle them. Nothing beats practical experience.

Also, alcohol is an excellent remedy for the anxiety. Alcohol is like 4 times more potent when you're stoned. I don't like benzos, they make me too sleepy, specially if I'm on something else like MJ. And, as you said, opioids are potentialized as well. Not sure about the specifics either. There seem to be a huge number of plausible explanations. And since MJ has so many substances, we can't even be sure it's THC that does it.

[misstrepidation]

finally, something on this forum, that a newbie can offer an opinion on!!! while everyone reacts differently to different strains and grades of cannabis, I find that those strains of the sativa persuasion tend to create MUCH less anxiety/paranoia for me. Sometimes the size of the dose taken(my scientific sounding way of saying "number of bong rips") also plays into those particular side effects. Also, different delivery methods i.e. smoking vs. oral ingeastion can change the perceived effect. Sadly, not everyone gets the love from the ganj that I do. #BeKind!

@britt-bleu @Comfortably Numbed - Amen.

@perromaldidi @minaret - the strain you have is definitely a factor. The only problem is its hard to really know what strain you're getting unless you're fortunate and have a friend in the know. If you're getting street supply it can be a crapshoot.

I hope legalization finally happens and some regulation on the strains being grown and some basic and accurate education occur so people can know what they are getting and why they should choose one strain over another. Be sure to vote when it comes to your state!

The new thing I'd like to try is tincture, one of each strain, since medically, it can be a godsend for people who have AM/PM problems (the up strain vs the down strain) and you can titrate until you know the exact right dose for you. Tincture also eliminates the whole smoking is bad argument.

I use cannabis regularly for the pain management of my plethora of GI disorders and it's the ONLY thing that works 100% of the time. I take a lot of scripts but none of them are to treat pain symptoms and of course many of them have side effects that can be just as bad as the sick I feel from my conditions

In fact, I can't take anything like NSAIDS and get sick from pretty much all painkillers like codeine, Vicodin, Demerol. I had surgery on my foot recently and the painkillers made me so sick, i was miserable and my freaking foot had just been sliced open and the bone cut etc. and the stupid pills were worse than the surgery pain! It was weed to the rescue and I thank the gods for that.

[dowork123]

I had to quote this post because it is extremely profound and in my opinion, 100% true. No one has the right to tell someone else how they feel.

Also, to the person in the post before me...the problem with tincture or ingesting any cannabis product orally, is the way it hits you. Now I don't care if it's a sativa or an indica, when you consume it by mouth, it will knock you the f*#k out. I do not like that, if you say you hate pain pills, take too much tincture, lol! It's like being drunk and on too much opiates at the same time, with a hint of anxiety added. Smoking is the best way tio consume it, so just vaporize it....that eliminates the smoking is bad arguement as well.

Okay, I know that this is going to be a controversial comment, but here goes: I think some folks need pain meds for psychosomatic reasons. I honestly think that some folks are built in such a way that what would be a tolerable level of pain to others is a psychologically intolerable state to them. And I believe that denying such folks pain meds because their "physical" condition is not "serious enough" is a form of discrimination. A psychological need for pain relief is a legitimate medical complaint, IMHO. Anyway, end of semi-rant.

[COSGringo]

I usually did the vaporizer. I had the tinctures and sprays too. They never did the same. The chocolates, well some of those were a bit too much.

[Perromaldido]

I guess I beem smoking a few kilos of MJ and hash when I was a kid and I ejoyed it bigtime. When you turn to hard shit and smoke it's a torture. You can't help how bad you're screwing up, the thought comes round and round til you say ''enough o that, gimme real bliss'' The full sativa strain experience took me back to a pleasureble, although very light low intake, use of MJ. Of course how can you say unless someone truly on the know tells you? Well I can't. regretably my skills are elsewhere.

Perromaldido

[misstrepidation]

I had to quote this post because it is extremely profound and in my opinion, 100% true. No one has the right to tell someone else how they feel.

Also, to the person in the post before me...the problem with tincture or ingesting any cannabis product orally, is the way it hits you. Now I don't care if it's a sativa or an indica, when you consume it by mouth, it will knock you the f*#k out. I do not like that, if you say you hate pain pills, take too much tincture, lol! It's like being drunk and on too much opiates at the same time, with a hint of anxiety added. Smoking is the best way tio consume it, so just vaporize it....that eliminates the smoking is bad arguement as well.

It's not that I don't like pain pills per se, I'm allergic to most of them so they make me sick.

Cannabis does not, and trust me I've eaten my fair share of space cakes to know consumption packs a punch but again, if you mow a bunch of opiates or tincture or pot brownies as the case may be, you'll pay the price. And the smoking is bad argument is an issue with all the legalization opposers who also see vaporizing as cumbersome and vaporizers as expensive, which some are. Tincture is a far more traditional form of drug and the general public would certainly have an easier time embracing it over the smoking and vaporizing.

But I wasn't talking about recreational use, just commenting and expanding on what some previous posters had brought up regarding legalization and medicinal usage.

So yeah, tincture IS concentrated and therefore strong and that's why I mentioned titrating, which is essential to any drug use.

Being a liquid means it's that much easier to measure dosage to be properly administered as a medical treatment like any other liquid medicine. Regarding the strain, again medically speaking, a tincture from either strain is beneficial to the user depending on their ailment, whether it's an issue that disrupts their daily life (so take a strain that doesn't promote lethargy) or something that interferes with sleep.

One should never just take tincture. Randomly consuming tincture would be akin to taking a handful of Vicodin without bothering to check how many milligrams the pills are and then lamenting the adverse affects of being foolish.

[auskick]

Trust me:
The pharmacological details don't matter when you're having a bad trip (that applies to any drug), even if know all the details and you logically know you won't die, your paranoid side will create some crazy explanation for some bizarre reaction that might kill.
You need to go through a lot of bad trips before you learn to really handle them. Nothing beats practical experience.

Also, alcohol is an excellent remedy for the anxiety. Alcohol is like 4 times more potent when you're stoned. I don't like benzos, they make me too sleepy, specially if I'm on something else like MJ. And, as you said, opioids are potentialized as well. Not sure about the specifics either. There seem to be a huge number of plausible explanations. And since MJ has so many substances, we can't even be sure it's THC that does it.

yeah ive knocked off a drink or two if the pot was too strong for me and it does the trick nicely... not too sure if its 4x as potent but i'll take your word for it.

definatley the way to do it .. pot then booze......not booze then pot...... worked that one out the hard way...
had a pipe after 10-15 drinks at a work show and ended up asleep on my friends bathroom floor in nothing but my underwear. the room would not stop spining and i would not stop vomitting.

[COSGringo]

Yes drink before smoke is a problem. I did the smoke to help with my drink but I always started the drink so that was the problem.
I moved to baclofen and that help rid me of the drink and well I lost the urge to smoke again.