Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 24

Thread: Opiates and Male Testosterone!

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    East Coast
    Posts
    323
    LemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura about

    Exclamation Opiates and Male Testosterone!

    Ugh ok so im on about 50mg methadone a day and lately i have been noticing i dont really have the same drive as before i was on it, and i notice my overall like drive with women but also with just motivation in general. So anyway the other day something made me say heck i bet my testotorone is affected by the methadone because when i stop taking it or cut my dose, i feel like all that drive and motivation feels like its going back up. Also lately i have been feeling really emotional which is strange for me, idk its weird. So anyways i look it up on the internet and sure enough OPIATES LOWER MALE TESTOSTERONE...

    SO now i kind of evaluate the last year or so of my life and i realize geez maybe some of the problems with motivation n all that, so now i'm thinking its time to get off opiates.

    I thought maybe others have had similar problems with testosterone and opiates. So is there a way to get testosterone back if im still on opiates? I mean i wanna get off them but it takes time...
    so is there any cure for this? im not familiar with testosterone at all, how can you boost testosterone?
    Im thinking i need to get some blood tests done.
    GRRR...
    Like jholden40 liked this post


  2. #2
    @LemonDiesel
    Just get off the bloody opiates!!!

    (By the way, i think that needs to be said in the voice of Michael Caine at the end of 'The Italian Job').
    Last edited by jholden40; 09-17-2011 at 01:57 PM.
    Helpful numberthirteen Rated helpful

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    CANADA
    Posts
    1,274
    chris100 is a splendid one to beholdchris100 is a splendid one to beholdchris100 is a splendid one to beholdchris100 is a splendid one to beholdchris100 is a splendid one to beholdchris100 is a splendid one to beholdchris100 is a splendid one to beholdchris100 is a splendid one to beholdchris100 is a splendid one to beholdchris100 is a splendid one to beholdchris100 is a splendid one to beholdchris100 is a splendid one to beholdchris100 is a splendid one to beholdchris100 is a splendid one to behold

    I agree. My pain doctor has me on percocett and 10mg of oxy. My drive has gone way down in the last couple of months. Wish there was something I could do.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    somewhere in GA
    Posts
    6


    Get on the juice, hell if you're over 35 you should be on it anyway. your testosterone level is dropping every year. preferably go to a doctor but if not find it other ways. you don't need to take much to get you sex drive and energy back to your 20 year old levels. I was using just during the summer but now i use a maintenance dose monthly during the non summer months also. also don't get old it sucks. also having a super hot wife helps.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    East Coast
    Posts
    323
    LemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura about

    @angrycontrarian could you possibly elaborate on what your talking about? What exactly do you mean by juice? im assuming steroids but idk jack about steroids, hgh or any of that sounds very interesting though.

    @chris100 it sucks i want my freaking drive back.
    Actually the other night i saw some supplement they were advertising on tv that raises testosterone, looks like ill be doing some hw on the topic

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Grand Rapids, MI
    Posts
    1,692
    QVC1212 has a brilliant futureQVC1212 has a brilliant futureQVC1212 has a brilliant futureQVC1212 has a brilliant futureQVC1212 has a brilliant futureQVC1212 has a brilliant futureQVC1212 has a brilliant futureQVC1212 has a brilliant futureQVC1212 has a brilliant futureQVC1212 has a brilliant futureQVC1212 has a brilliant futureQVC1212 has a brilliant futureQVC1212 has a brilliant futureQVC1212 has a brilliant futureQVC1212 has a brilliant futureQVC1212 has a brilliant futureQVC1212 has a brilliant futureQVC1212 has a brilliant future

    There are quite a few studies which suggest a correlation between long-term opiate use and lowered testosterone. As someone who relies on low-dose, moderately potent opiates over the long-term, I can relate to this perceived loss of motivation and drive (probably correlated to reduced testosterone). I do not believe synthetic testosterone, aka steroids, are the answer though. Steroids should be for two branches of people: 1) people who have a medical necessity, such as muscle wasting diseases and 2) perhaps more controversially, lifelong and dedicated bodybuilders who have peaked and plateaued with their training and are unable to make any more significant gains following strict, disciplined adherence to intense training, proper nutrition and rest, etc.

    The answer is simple: give up opiates. As House, MD so wisely said, however, just because it's simple, doesn't mean it's easy. In this case, simple is very, very hard. I know from experience. Do whatever you can to reduce your opiate take, the lower the better, and force yourself to exercise more, and this will help boost your motivation and drive.

    There is a third option---stimulants. This has worked wonders for me. Ritalin and/or adderall, or modafinil, will boost your motivation and drive. The antidepressant wellbutrin (bupropion) is also much like an amphetamine and is known to help restore libido and boost overall energy levels since it is suspected to work on the mesolimbic dopamine system(MDS). However, stimulants are evil. Go on stims, like adderall, for a year, and then quit, and your motivation/drive will be screwed up for months, even with proper nutrition, rest, exercise and vitamins/supplements. I know this from experience. So if you choose stimulants, just be aware that they work too damn well, and quitting them can be harder than quitting opiates.

    The other option is just to do nothing. Accept that you have reduced drive and motivation, and live with it. And move on. As long as you're still functioning, it's alright.
    Helpful LemonDiesel Rated helpful

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    East Coast
    Posts
    323
    LemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura about

    thanks @QVC1212 your input is much appreciated! Im thinking thats what im going to do, go off opiates, taper slowly i suppose. But in the mean time i have an old ritalin script that and havnt taken it in a long time so maybe ill give that a try, right now im just draggin and its killing me, hell i probably should be taking it anyway for my add. I dont think i can do nothing though, im kinda down because of it as well, i need that ambition or i just become miserable if i dont have goals that i WAnt to reach, ya know, it keeps me alive in a way.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Northeast
    Posts
    643
    mountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the rough

    You may have multiple health problems .It may be a good ideal to have your testosterone levels checked plus get a overall blood test done .Coming off opiates is probably causing you to have both mental and physical problems .
    If i take high doses of opiates it seems to increase my estrogen levels .Ifound out I could take anti-estrogen .Arimidex worked best for me but I was already taking Testosterone legally with TRT plus supplementing it with illegal Testosterone and other AAS .I quit taking all AAS including Testosterone and still got the same symptoms I was having when I took high doses of opiates after couple of days .
    I am going to try to start back taking Testosterone .I am sure that is part of my current problems .I feel tired all the time and can not seem to get interested in anything and my sex drive is non-existent.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    somewhere in GA
    Posts
    6


    Quote Originally Posted by LemonDiesel View Post
    @angrycontrarian could you possibly elaborate on what your talking about? What exactly do you mean by juice? im assuming steroids but idk jack about steroids, hgh or any of that sounds very interesting though.

    @chris100 it sucks i want my freaking drive back.
    Actually the other night i saw some supplement they were advertising on tv that raises testosterone, looks like ill be doing some hw on the topic
    lemon i'm talking about steroids as you stated. as you probably know your testoterone levels start dropping at the age of 40 and decrease by approximately 0.3% per year. of course thats just a genenralization i'm sure it varies greatly. i'm sure it starts earlier in many men. i've never used hgh but i'm going to start soon. I've used just about every type of steroid on the market. some work better than others to give you energy and increase your sex drive. simple testosterone Cypionate or Ethanate are great for making your energy levels and sex drive go back to the days when you were 20 wanting it at least every day and having plenty of energy but can give you some side affects. such as water retention, high blood pressure, acne . bad side effects would be gyno, hair loss but i believe these only occur in people predisposed to these effects or ones using extremely high doses for extended periods. i have taken 2000 mgs or more in a week for 3 months and never had any bad sides. had the mild sides but never anything bad. but i never used for more than 3 months in a row. also you do get psychological addiction which was never a problem for me but I'm sure this is a problem for others. going from 5' 10" 210 pounds of solid muscle to 185 and going from benching 365 dead lifting 595 to benching 275 and deading 455 does affect your brain and sucks especially bad when you hit that time when all the artificial testosterone is gone and your testes haven't started to produce any testosterone and your tired and weak and have no sex drive but that to ends after a month or two. but if you continue to work out you wont get fat. i could go on and on so just ask if you have any questions. i find the myths about steroids to be quite funny. no your penis doesn't shrink it gets bigger ask my wife. your testes get smaller because they're not being used. your muscles don't turn into fat its just that some people quit working out after they stop using and they just get fat. you will gain muscle without working out while on steroids but not nearly as much as you would if you worked out. roid rage, if you're an a hole before you use you'll be a bigger a hole while using. if your a mellow guy like me you'll still be mellow. but don't get me mad, which is hard, because i will destroy you, unless you are more of a bad ass than me. then i will run and hopefully outrun you.
    Helpful LemonDiesel Rated helpful

  10. #10
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Northeast
    Posts
    643
    mountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the rough

    I have took high doses of AAS also without any bad side effects .I have took as much as 600mg in 4 shots of 150 mg each of Testosterone Propinainate other wise known s as Test Prop .I took 150 mg in each bicep and 150 mg in each tricep .This was just last year .I had got tired of not being able to get up and do any significant amount of work around my house .A normal workout for me would only last around 1 to 2 hours .I needed strength and endurance to last all day .I worked all day that day for the first time in a year or more .I was only taking Darvocet for pain as prescribed one at a time .AS far as AAS making me a A**hole .I would usually be much easier to get along with a much better sense of well being .
    I started my first cycle when I was 56 yr old at 184 at 5"8" witha 21% bodyfat level .In 8 weeks I went up to 195 and my bodyfat level went down to 17% .I was only taking diannabol and winstrol ,just oral steroids .I went on later to take injectable and oral AAS for around 4 years straight without any noticeable breaks .
    Helpful LemonDiesel Rated helpful

  11. #11
    you should go see a doctor and have your levels checked... mine were checked and very low. I used to do alot of OC's and that obbviously can lower your drive and your Testosterone. But if your levels are low they will put on on a form of test prob 200mg and that should get you back on track just one shot every two weeks.....goodluck

    *This post was auto-merged. The following text was added 55 minutes after the last post:*

    I'm a 20 yr old male and have been using morphine and codeine fairly regularly for the past year and three months (in the form of opium poppy tea, not good I know but I have Asperger syndrome and it's all I can find to ease my social anxiety). My tolerance and level of use has been increasing lately and I currently get through a kilo of poppies a week. Anyway, basicly, I recently decided to have a blood test to check hormone levels, because although I do need to shave regularly I was sure that I had less facial hair than average for my age (everything else is developmentally normal). My serum testosterone was measured at 11.0 nmol/L where the normal range is 8.0-29, LH was eleveated at 10.7 u/L (n = 1.5 - 6.3) and FSH normal at 2.7 (r = 1.0 - 10.1). So basicly although testosterone is within range it is just at the cut off point for below normal, and is certainly below average and I find the high LH a little concerning (I know hi LH and low Tes. is usally due to testicular failure, although I don't feel I have this). They're repeating the LH and FSH in 2 weeks, not tes. bc it was normal, tho I might request this again. Could these findings be related to the opiate consumption, or other chemicals in the tea? I've heard of morphine causing both low LH and TES, but not hi LH. I'm planning to get off soon, how long do you think it would take to recover TES levels after ceasing morphine use? Thanks for any help you can offer, D. Dinneen

    this is one case seems to go around
    Last edited by mynewname; 09-19-2011 at 01:01 PM.
    Helpful LemonDiesel Rated helpful

  12. #12
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    154
    DarksideoftheRainbow is a jewel in the roughDarksideoftheRainbow is a jewel in the roughDarksideoftheRainbow is a jewel in the roughDarksideoftheRainbow is a jewel in the roughDarksideoftheRainbow is a jewel in the roughDarksideoftheRainbow is a jewel in the roughDarksideoftheRainbow is a jewel in the rough

    It's no secret boys! Opiate dependency WILL lower and/or completely STOP your sex drive- It does the same in women! This is especially true in those with somewhat higher tolerance.

    For example, think of it on the flipside.. In women, opiate dependency at higher tolerances (like LemonDiesel is describing) not only lowers (or more frequently, completely stops) sex drive, it also stops the menstrual cycle! (ie, little or no sex drive.. no need for that time of the month, either, eh? What sex is supposed to be for?) The more accurate reason behind that in women however is along the lines of the fact that the dependent female body recognizes that it ought not carry a child in that sort of biochemical environment, and so the moderate to high opiate tolerance acts like its own sort of contraception- the lady's body is trying to help it avoid a pregnancy.

    But back to boys! One of the best deterrents I have found to keep guys from getting dependent on opiates is telling them quite somberly that it will nearly stop their sex drive; for some men it kills the sex drive entirely.

    However, don't go guessing with "the juice" like somebody said above! (Too many margins for error there..) No.. There is actually a syndrome called low testosterone, and you could talk with a doctor in the meantime that, ahem, specializes in such things where you can be prescribed IM testosterone shots. I have a friend with no opiate dependency with this problem, and he has his prescribed shots (given by a girlfriend or family member in the buttocks) once weekly I believe. Your current doctor of course might not be so sympathetic and tell you to deal with it for the time being while on methadone.. In that case it might be better to seek a specialist in the issue or look up low testosterone syndrome for more info.

    However you know the real answer.. It will improve as the methadone dose decreases (this is the same in women), or ideally, hits zero. I had this same problem as well for years as you might be familiar with too, though switching onto tramadol is quite helpful for that because it is not a strong enough mu opioid agonist to trigger the problem And how is that possible to switch down so drastically like that? It's like I told you already a long time ago, my friend!

    In the longrun though, you probably won't fully get your sex drive back until tapering methadone- In fact, it will most likely come uncontrollably roaring back at first!
    Like LemonDiesel liked this post

  13. #13
    You could try a natural test booster such as LongJack/Tong kat ali you can buy the stuff cheapest off some supplement sellers off ebay. This herb has been used as a test booster i.e. sex booster by men for a long time in the east. Be sure to buy the 200:1 or at least 100:1 extract as you get more bang for your buck lol. The stuff really does work and I'm no stranger to having used some AAS in the past; it won't give you the same all out feeling that taking extra test will but it will give you a nice boost in the way I think your looking for.
    Helpful mountaineer Rated helpful

  14. #14
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Northeast
    Posts
    643
    mountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the roughmountaineer is a jewel in the rough

    thanks for the tip .i would rather take something oral and something available OTC rather than get back to injecting multiple times a day .I recently was taking IFG-DES ,MGF ,Ghrp-6 making quite few injections daily .Also was taking MK-2866 .Still have some of the MGF .I thought if I would mega dose each of them one day I may get up and get some of my work done I was getting behind on .Later on my lower legs went numb .Just like I had a pinched disc in my back or several of them .That was about 2 weeks back .I am still experiencing a small amount of numbness .It is probably were it elevated my HGH levels too high .
    I quit shooting AAS partially because my upper arms became so hard I could barely put a needle in them and not because I was in super good condition .Sure they made me feel good .If I get back on Test again I will probably just take about 2 shots weekly of about 200 mg or 250 mg depending on if I get it legally or order it online .The legal test comes in 200 mg per ml vials .Most of the ******** sources sell it at 250 mg per ml .
    I will try to locate a source for the supplement you suggested .I know there are some very good OTC supplements on the market that definitely work .
    By the way congratulations on you getting 60 posts .now we both have access to the seniors section Just got my 60th post today myself .

  15. I took tramadol for over 6 years and it cause my testosterone to be abnormally low (gained 40+ pounds too). I ended up using Testim gel (two tubes daily) for awhile and it worked well at first.

    I was under the impression that I had done life long damage, but within a few months of stopping I started noticing the change in my levels. IE, weight loss, energy, sex drive, etc.

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    somewhere in GA
    Posts
    6


    dude no offense by why were you injecting in your arms? you should have done it in your butt or quad. what gauge needle were you using? also why were you using such a short acting testosterone? as for OTC or natural testosterone enhancers don't waste your money I've tried them all and they don't work or don't work well and cost as much or more than steroids.

    over, what study are you talking about where opiate dependent woman's menstrual cycle stops? i haven't seen that one. maybe major heroin addicts, but who knows what else they were taking, might get that side but it could be caused by weight loss which also stops a woman's cycle. as for a woman's body figuring out shes a druggie and she shouldn't get pregnant, that's just a ridiculous statement. whats it based on? maybe taking massive doses could cause this. i know a 95 lb woman on 120 mgs daily of oxy with no sides. also got pregnant. I've read the studies on lower testosterone levels in men, but most of them only talk about heroin or methadone use. as for guessing about testosterone, which i never said, a person should read and research as i did and then figure out what will work for them. Doing 200 to 250mgs of test cyp or eth ever week or other week will definitely increase ones sex drive and energy.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by angrycontrarian View Post
    Get on the juice, hell if you're over 35 you should be on it anyway. your testosterone level is dropping every year. preferably go to a doctor but if not find it other ways. you don't need to take much to get you sex drive and energy back to your 20 year old levels. I was using just during the summer but now i use a maintenance dose monthly during the non summer months also. also don't get old it sucks. also having a super hot wife helps.
    Yep. have your doc test you for low t, or just buy from shaz, but if you go the iop route, have your liver checked at least bi monthly, steroids are hell on your liver

  18. When your first starting out with all the crazy opiates and your tolerance is low, it makes sex waaaaay better than normal. Same with just about any pleasure-inducing drug - its just common sense. But the tolerance thing that comes from addiction and abuse is inevitable unless your a God

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    East Coast
    Posts
    323
    LemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura aboutLemonDiesel has a spectacular aura about

    Well today i received a testosterone booster i ordered a few days ago called Activate Xtreme, i decided to try it out because ive just been blahhh lately although over the last week since i added a daily fish oil supplement and 50mg of 5-htp i felt a little less depressed but still no "drive" so anyway i feel like i got a kick in the motivator because i feel ambitious since i took the activate xtreme earlier, but not in a speedy or drugged out way, but just the feeling you get when your getting alot of stuff done and just have a lot of ambition to do things. Its my 1st day taking it so im not completely sure thats the reason but i have a feeling it has alot to do with it, but we will see how tmrw goes! I feel so much less lethargic, i dont wanna just sit and be lazy watching tv ya know, so im super excited if this is the result of the testosterone booster! Will report back tmrw

  20. I did notice a drop in my husbands sex drive when he was on opiates... which it bounced right back up when he stopped taking them. It was more of a problem for him to "finish a job" rather than no sex drive at all though.


Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Opiates and Benzos tolerance
    By Puma1337 in forum General advice
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 10-31-2011, 09:08 PM
  2. Opiates and drowsiness
    By cv2006 in forum Fighting pain, and all about pain-killing drugs (analgesics)
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: 08-21-2011, 08:12 PM
  3. Propecia and Male Pattern Baldness Question
    By jess_n_flip in forum Archive for unanswered posts
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 02-17-2010, 04:41 AM
  4. Dianabol, DHT, and Male Pattern Baldness? Does Dianabol convert to DHT
    By ganador14424 in forum Human growth hormone
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 06-02-2009, 12:38 AM
  5. Surgery: drug interactions of morphine (opiates) and marijuana?
    By Eternityjah in forum Fighting pain, and all about pain-killing drugs (analgesics)
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 04-23-2008, 01:50 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Protected by Copyscape CopySentry. Do not copy.