China? Anyone sourcing ...

[Hemanne]

I posted this thread http://www.pharmacyreviewer.com/foru...591-china.html in Other Countries forum but chances are nobody is going there any time soon so this looks like the best place for it?

Is anyone sourcing anything from China, or know anything about it? Given it is considered the biggest chemical producer in the world I am surprised I don't read anything about it here.

[drumm3r27]

Are you trying to find out something specific, like having chemicals synthesized? From what I understand, Chinese labs will generally synthesize a wide variety of chemicals as they are not too concerned with various drug laws. For example, I believe many turn to China for precursors. China is also responsible for a lot of the production of research chemicals.

Now, to be clear, I'm not condoning any illegal activity and I believe the procurement of a Chinese lab that will do this type of business will require a good deal of investment in one's time and money. This information is just here to give you an idea of how Chinese chemical exports are integrated into society. I'm not too sure about the volume of medications that China produces.

[markstar]

@Hemanne: I can't answer your question, but one other thing to consider about China is their (lack of) quality control. Just like the baby formula and dog food problems, among others, that have been in the news the past year or two. And you never know what other chemicals they may be producing in the same factory (cross contamination with something poisonous for example). I'd put China pretty far down my list for anything I ingest - if you can get what you're after elsewhere. Just my $0.02...

[Hemanne]

@drumm3r27 @markstar It's really just a question about supply, is anybody sourcing meds from China?

You would think China would be exporting a lot of meds, but maybe it's just the ingredients. I don't know. I read somewhere, about quality control, the Chines executed their equivalent of the FDA a few years ago and they brought in a new set of QC protocols and have had no issues with quality since.

But without cross reference by others experience it's just a POV.

I was thinking so much junk is mailed out of China nothing would really stand out for interception. Who knows?

[markstar]

@Hemanne - yeah, good points... esp about the volume of mail coming out of China...

[drumm3r27]

@Hemanne: I can't answer your question, but one other thing to consider about China is their (lack of) quality control. Just like the baby formula and dog food problems, among others, that have been in the news the past year or two. And you never know what other chemicals they may be producing in the same factory (cross contamination with something poisonous for example). I'd put China pretty far down my list for anything I ingest - if you can get what you're after elsewhere. Just my $0.02...

I'd hope medication has a high set standard of purity/quality. And if one were to be sourcing chemicals from China, or anywhere for that matter, they should receive some type of spectroscopy data from the lab.

[hrtguy]

Yep, they took a huge hit a few years back with the international steroid/HGH busts. Operation Raw Deal if you want to look it up.

With all the sources floating around here with positive/negative reviews I think it would be unwise to tread in that direction.

[Hemanne]

I take your point but you are talking of a major drug operation, I'm not. And there is one big difference with China supply, it is not subject to the same pressures as western supply, assuming supply of the same/usual prescription drugs. China doesn't need to appease anyone and is still hungry for economic growth, and pharmaceuticals is a big one.

I can't see it being any more of an issue buying from China than buying personal meds from any other country?

Yep, they took a huge hit a few years back with the international steroid/HGH busts. Operation Raw Deal if you want to look it up.

With all the sources floating around here with positive/negative reviews I think it would be unwise to tread in that direction.

[hrtguy]

Maybe I didn't make my point clear enough, sorry for the confusion.

I don't argue the fact that China can make chemicals, and rather cheaply. However, bulk powders from China are a very watched for item these days. And my definition of bulk isn't that large. Because of the steroid/HGH scandal and busts there is a very watchful eye for these type of shipments. Obviously they can't get them all, but even a small amount of a bulk powder will net you more than a LL simply for the fact it's newsworthy.

Think of it like this: let's just say you order 250 x 2 mg xanax from India. It could very well be seen as personal use and a LL if caught at Customs. Now let's say you get the exact same amount of medicine from China. If LE has made busts from that country before they may think they found another 'tip of the iceberg' so to speak. It may warrant more attention then is actually called for, but once the wheels of justice start grinding things up it's hard to stop it.

If you had friends in country, someone with their feet on the ground who could actually talk to them I wouldn't be as leary. But with all the sources of meds online, some relatively cheap, I can't help but wonder why you would want to take the risk of the attention of importing chemicals from China knowing all about the quality control issues and the spotlight that could possibly swing in your direction.

Basically, if you can order med (x) for $100 from a reliable source with 50 good reviews, why take the chance to order it for $80? Sometimes even when you get things at half the price they wind up costing you ten times as much in the end. I don't doubt there are good Chinese sources out there, and don't mean to dissuade anyone from using them, only that there is another side to the point of view that some may not be aware. If you live in a heavily populated Asian part of the country, it may never raise a flag. If you live in Nowhere, Nebraska it may be the most interesting piece of mail they have ever seen.

[Hemanne]

Like I said, it's not a major drug operation and the question is a valid one. Given China is such a major 'World' supplier (not just USA) I wonder that there is not more use being made of it. Maybe it just hasn't evolved to that yet, but I think it will given they have apparently sorted their quality issues, the price is right (and negotiable) and finding anything in China mail can't be any easier than finding anything in Mexico or any other mail source.

I just don't see the issues you say there are? Maybe America has issues with China mail but I don't think it's the same everywhere, and it still isn't any easier to find a needle in a haystack. Just my 2c.

And I take your point about 'the most interesting piece of mail' but you could say that about almost any country in a given place.

I think it's just a matter of time before China starts up as a primary source of prescription meds. If it does, for reasons already stated - beholding to nobody, I would like to get in on the ground floor for a reliable supply. They are an amazingly polite and accomodating people, for which I am sure there are reasons too.

Maybe I didn't make my point clear enough, sorry for the confusion.

I don't argue the fact that China can make chemicals, and rather cheaply. However, bulk powders from China are a very watched for item these days. And my definition of bulk isn't that large. Because of the steroid/HGH scandal and busts there is a very watchful eye for these type of shipments. Obviously they can't get them all, but even a small amount of a bulk powder will net you more than a LL simply for the fact it's newsworthy.

Think of it like this: let's just say you order 250 x 2 mg xanax from India. It could very well be seen as personal use and a LL if caught at Customs. Now let's say you get the exact same amount of medicine from China. If LE has made busts from that country before they may think they found another 'tip of the iceberg' so to speak. It may warrant more attention then is actually called for, but once the wheels of justice start grinding things up it's hard to stop it.

If you had friends in country, someone with their feet on the ground who could actually talk to them I wouldn't be as leary. But with all the sources of meds online, some relatively cheap, I can't help but wonder why you would want to take the risk of the attention of importing chemicals from China knowing all about the quality control issues and the spotlight that could possibly swing in your direction.

Basically, if you can order med (x) for $100 from a reliable source with 50 good reviews, why take the chance to order it for $80? Sometimes even when you get things at half the price they wind up costing you ten times as much in the end. I don't doubt there are good Chinese sources out there, and don't mean to dissuade anyone from using them, only that there is another side to the point of view that some may not be aware. If you live in a heavily populated Asian part of the country, it may never raise a flag. If you live in Nowhere, Nebraska it may be the most interesting piece of mail they have ever seen.

[hrtguy]

I see your points, I really do. Honestly China was (and probably still is) the number one source of HGH and bulk steroid powders in the world. It only stands to reason if they can synthesize testosterone, why not benzos?

Maybe it's how it's viewed in their own country. I know very little about Chinese law, but I do know they can and do execute drug dealers. Not all the time for every scenario, but it does happen. Just like you mentioned, they even executed the head of their FDA. Maybe selling steroids is okay but Viagra isn't. Just purely speculation obviously but since they counterfeit purses, sunglasses, and anything else with a high price tag label, sell bulk steroids and HGH like its going out of style, etc. there must be some reason they don't open 'normal' IOP's.

I can say that I've been using IOP's on and off since the late 90's and can't recall one good IOP from China that wasn't steroid related. They oviously have the resources to do it, the tech, etc so they should be at least on par with India. The only reasons I can give are anecdotal, but when all things point to that they should yet they don't there must be a good reason.

Also purely speculation, but lots of these sources went to email types after Operation Raw Deal. Maybe they are sourcing but with a different type of outlet that I haven't run across.

BTW just wanted to say great conversation and I like how civil people can be on this board even when they disagree on a topic.

[Hemanne]

I haven't been buying online for long, at all, and I know nothing about steroids. I just think China is a huge untapped resource for us.

As far as executions go I think they are primarily political, to keep 2 billion people in line and not as a matter of course, much like USA. For murder anyway.

I will keep looking for China info and post anything useful. Just one COP (Chinese Online Pharmacy) to start off will do.

[junk1]

i know a lot of research chems are out of there but other than that and some juice coming out of there , does any one know any thing about any research chems that mimic opiants , prob not because it would most likely lead to a of problems, but this is a good thread to keep an eye on

[waffles101]

I agree that China is a huge untapped resource but personally, I would have to take a huge leap of faith in terms of trusting the quality of drugs.

This is a country that's been known to mass-produce fake eggs and pills made out of dead babies. For every good quality pill, there would be twice as many fakes.

[mrdeltoid]

China is a major world supplier of chemicals, including pharmaceuticals, and personally I've been meaning to import certain compounds. I'm sure high quality benzodiazepine powders can be found. Wholesale prices are extremely low, and it's not difficult to find a laboratory to analyze products for purity and contamination.

[Gullible]

Not only quality is an issue but ever getting your goods is an issue. There are so many scammers it isn't funny. Even established companies who will send when its something normal but when its a controlled substance to usa or europe they may take the money and run. What are you going to do about it? "he didn't send my klonopins!"

Then you have the fact that anything from china is suspect and will get looked over plenty. I've gotten shipments from there and about 1/2 the time they have the green customs tape. Not good odds.

[Bananastickers]

I haven't been buying online for long, at all, and I know nothing about steroids. I just think China is a huge untapped resource for us.

As far as executions go I think they are primarily political, to keep 2 billion people in line and not as a matter of course, much like USA. For murder anyway.

I will keep looking for China info and post anything useful. Just one COP (Chinese Online Pharmacy) to start off will do.

If I remember correctly one of the 'offshore' places was out of Asia. Either pharmaoffshore or offshorepharma.... Look them up though, can't say as anything stellar was ever written about them. This was several years ago. Shipping took awhile & had green customs tape. But since your determined that could be starting point.

[silntrunin]

Not only quality is an issue but ever getting your goods is an issue. There are so many scammers it isn't funny. Even established companies who will send when its something normal but when its a controlled substance to usa or europe they may take the money and run. What are you going to do about it? "he didn't send my klonopins!"

Then you have the fact that anything from china is suspect and will get looked over plenty. I've gotten shipments from there and about 1/2 the time they have the green customs tape. Not good odds.

You have that issue with any IOP you send money to. Lets face it regardless what type of rep a supplier has, you are always taking a chance when sending money. If you can find a trusted source from China you are fine. I recieve from them with no problems at all and the product is of good quality.

It would be well worth the time to research and find a trusted source from China.

[Gullible]

@silntrunin of course if you have a known and trusted supplier its different. But how are you going to find such a person? Maybe if you knew someone personally they would share. Are you going to share your sources? Then how is anyone else going to find a good one? You might as well go on topix, lol.

There still is the problem of frequent checks of anything coming from china. I've gotten the green tape more than once.

[JoeyButtafuoco]

You can get pharm powders such as oxycodone, xanax, valium, etc for cheap from a giant number of labs. You do run into problems though.
1. Just the sheer number of labs and chemical companies will be hard to wade through starting from square one.
2. Samples run you a few hundred. You can also get sent a great sample and then get bunk weight after you pay.
3. Minimum amount are most def wholesale range. They aren't going
to synth 5 grams of oxycodone powder.
4. All payment is done by bank transfer. No protection for buyer
5. You will need to find a lab at home that will be willing to run gc/ms nmr, hplc, etc. testing. This is harder than it sounds since you are asking a legit organization to test scheduled powders that are illegal. These places only will deal with schools and businesses.

With that being said, I do know and have read about people buying samples of different scheduled powders