Medications that fall in Schedule II vs Schedule III.

[dydxcap]

Great list! it's more helpful than the wikipedia version I was looking at...lol

[Face]

Thaaaaaaanks Neofate
that was exactly what I'm looking for
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[Enzob]

I definatly understand more now. Thank you neofate

[md45]

Man, this place has so much knowledge in it. I really thought i knew alot about what was out there and the risks involved, but this site has really opened my eyes up and helped me out tremendously.

[Gman]

Hello @dsteury,

Actually yes, pentobarbitol is still available orally. In the UK, for sure. In the USA ? I can't confirm.

It is also used in multi-ingredient medications for the treatment of migraine.

@Blockhead I managed to get some from a down under IOP a year ago. Effective, but I did not like it : I like a medication to put me to sleep without my noticing it and to allow me to wake up fully the next day.
Pentobarbitol gave me a buzz before putting me to sleep and left me groggy the next day.

Take care
ST

Hi @SoTired
Personally, any barbitol or derivative therein scares the crap out of me. Read about so many OD's using *.barbitol
So glad it works for you, I would not trust myself using it with concomitant prescribed drugs in my case.

Respectfully,
Gman

[Governor]

@alumni
I completely agree it makes no sense oxycodone w/ apap is a sched. II and Hyrdrocodone w/ apap is Sched. III. In a way I am glad hydrocodone is a schedule three though becuase allot of doctors feel much more comfortable rxing it than oxy w/ apap becuase it is a schedule 3 and not 2. If anything I think all painkillers including oxy should be dropped down to a shedule 3 if they contain apap, it makes sense that they are less abusable for the simple reason they are not injectable or snortable etc.

The DEA is currently reviewing a petition to increase the regulatory controls on hydrocodone combination products from schedule III to schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA).

Until late last year, I had thought Hydrocodone Apap was a sch II.
Boggles my mind as to why Codeine is sch II since it's weaker
Poor MaryJane..Sch I because it's a "gateway drug"

[Gman]

The DEA is currently reviewing a petition to increase the regulatory controls on hydrocodone combination products from schedule III to schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA).

Until late last year, I had thought Hydrocodone Apap was a sch II.
Boggles my mind as to why Codeine is sch II since it's weaker
Poor MaryJane..Sch I because it's a "gateway drug"

Hi @Governor
A bit of research has shown that hydrocodone/APAP is now more easily extracted with readily available and harmless solvents...effectively eliminating the APAP content.
Source:Bluelight

Work in progress theory,
Gman

[dingleberry]

The DEA is currently reviewing a petition to increase the regulatory controls on hydrocodone combination products from schedule III to schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA).

Until late last year, I had thought Hydrocodone Apap was a sch II.
Boggles my mind as to why Codeine is sch II since it's weaker
Poor MaryJane..Sch I because it's a "gateway drug"

I would like to know who is behind such a petition, and honestly, what is the point and what are they trying to achieve?

Doctors still are going to prescribe pain medication, its just that *some* feel more comfortable rx'ing a schedule 3 for whatever reason but most doctors look at hydros the same as percocet, in reality it is basically the same nearly identical strengths. (3:4 ratio difference at best)

Most doctors seem to be just as reluctant to rx vicodin as they would oxycodone w/ apap for the simple fact they both have the same abuse/ addiction profile.

It would make more sense to me to petition to drop oxycodone w/ apap down to schedule three than to raise hydro w/ apap to scedule 2. Makes no sense. Schedule 2 should be reserved for pure, stronger, more easily abusable products not containing apap.

It seems upside down and ass backward. But then again, we are talking about the DEA and more broadly the war on doctors and pharmaceutical drugs and the war on drugs in general. Nothing surprises me. The DEA are the lowest of the low, they will do anything to justify their agencies legitimacy, jobs and salaries, including treating patients and doctors as criminals meanwhile thousands of tons of hard narcotics freely flow through the border, they cant even make a dent. Heroin is now cheaper than beer. I guess its so much easier to go after sick people and doctors with openly posted street addresses than criminal enterprises, the nonviolent public doesn't tend to shoot back or put up a fight.

I can't think of any more wasteful spending of taxpayer money than on the scumbags at the DEA.

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And who in the world is behind the "petition" anyway? It sure as hell isn't doctors, patients, or the public? My god if our government could just spend their energy on something useful just half the time imagine how better off we would be as a society. And don't even get me started on going against and crapping on the will of the people for sake of special interests and politics.

[billyboy1965]

I thought I read a response from @alumni that there were no scheduling changes for hydro with apap, as far as the Federal Government. I believe some states, including New York, haven't erased it from the slate.

Given all my dental ordeals, I'd think dentists would be most up in arms about it.

[Gman]

I thought I read a response from @alumni that there were no scheduling changes for hydro with apap, as far as the Federal Government. I believe some states, including New York, haven't erased it from the slate.

Given all my dental ordeals, I'd think dentists would be most up in arms about it.

Canada has changed dramatically to the right, codeine is up there, my doc for 12 years is afraid of prescribing !
any form of narcotics..holy nose bleed Batman!!
So I am looking for Ultram, torn between pain relief and breaking the law.
If only these gov't types could walk a few feet with all of us.

My thoughts
Gman

[dingleberry]

@billyboy1965 @Gman @Governor

Just researched it, the provision in the bill that called for the rescheduling of hydrocodone w/ apap products from scheule III to schedule II was dropped from the bill, in part by way of the help from intense lobbying efforts from various pharmacy, doctor and patient advocacy groups based on the fact it would put a tremendous strain on pharmacies and doctors and would interfere with the patients ability to get their much needed medication. It was a dumb idea on many levels and thankfully the legislation, proposed by Joe Manchin of West Virginia, has failed and has been removed from the bill completely as it relates to hydrocodones rescheduling.

Apparently this is an issue that has been on the "back burner" for over twelve years, the resch. of hydrocodone based meds, let us hope it goes back to where it came and never comes back around again.

Seriously, don't we have greater problems to attend to?

On a side note, this decision represents a sad day for heroin dealers, as they benefit every time the government cracks down on legitimate pain patients and prescription opioid medications for obvious reasons.

This all went down within this/ the last month, very recently, that being the hydro provision being dropped. This is very good news IMO. I for one will be celebrating with a norco, and later on in the evening a nice beer.

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I thought I read a response from @alumni that there were no scheduling changes for hydro with apap, as far as the Federal Government. I believe some states, including New York, haven't erased it from the slate.

Given all my dental ordeals, I'd think dentists would be most up in arms about it.

Exactly, up in arms as are/ were many other medical/ pharmaceutical field professionals. Only a politician and a bureaucratic government backed by hysterical anti rx drug persons/ groups could think it was a good idea. I rejoice in their failure.

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When will people ever learn to embrace personal responsibility and stop advocating for a big government to make every single decision for us and to "keep us safe" from ourselves?
I am not surprised this was a bill largely concocted by big government democrats, both sides need to stay out of our gosh damned medical affairs!

[zampaz]

Being a newb I appreciate and will respect this post. I'm deeply saddened by the fact that even in the US you must be careful about what topics you discuss in public on-line forums.
But then I'm distressed about US citizens being so fearful of terrorists that they'd patiently wait in line for an electronic strip search at an airport. It occurs to me that there probably few "safe" topics when it comes to obtaining medications by any other means than paying a doctor for permission to use medicine for a condition you've had since early childhood.
So other than being a waste of time, and personally intrusive it's not a big deal, but if you don't have insurance and have a limited income you really resent having to pay huge amounts of money for extensive testing and a getting the medicineman's blessing in the form of a prescription every few months (or at least once a year) for conditions such as allergies, asthma and mental illness...

[SoTired]

Hi @SoTired
Personally, any barbitol or derivative therein scares the crap out of me. Read about so many OD's using *.barbitol
So glad it works for you, I would not trust myself using it with concomitant prescribed drugs in my case.

Respectfully,
Gman

Hey @Gman,

Actually, I did not get PENTObarbitol, but PHENObarbitol. My bad PHENObarbitol has a very limited potency if you compare it with PENTObarbitol. Takes a huge quantity to OD with phenobarbitol. Can't be accidental.

I had purchased the PHENObarbitol for those nights where you just know that nothing mild will get you asleep. I have suffered from insomnia ever since I was a toddler. And, as I was saying, I did not like it at all.

It takes an hour to take effect. As it starts kicking in, your head is swimming. I do not like that feeling. I want a sleeping aid that will help me with my insomnia by giving me the illusion that I fell asleep all on my own.

And, as I had also pointed out, PHENObarbitol induced sleep is not at all refreshing; even though I did stay asleep for 12 hours, I still felt groggy for most of the next day.

The objective of taking a sleeping aid is to feel refreshed and fully awake the next day.

So, I thank you, sincerely, for your concern @Gman. But no, it did not really work for me.

If I suffered from migraines, it could perhaps be of some help. But I'm fortunate enough that my migraines stopped with puberty.

Thanks for caring

ST

[bpeezy]

hey gys new user here. is this site reliable? also what is a good online pharm to order stuff from one where i not sending a moneygram to africa

[ladycaitlin64]

Im glad to see that Fentanyl is on the Schedule II list i have known a few ppl who have abused this highly addictive drug

[alumni]

Thus the reason it has always been scheduled a C-II substance.

[fopaaw]

I am in NY, and as of last week, Hydrocodone is a Sched 2. Wonder why they call it the Empire State? Because it is becoming more and more like an evil Empire everyday. Bloomburg managed to pass a law saying you can't by a soda over a certain size in NYC? WTF? Are we as a people really too stupid to make our own decisions? It is a slippery slope my friends, and here in the East, it is being led by NY.

[MoonShade]

@fopaaw

You can't buy a soda over a certain size ???

[Cash]

@fopaaw

You can't buy a soda over a certain size ???

Not in NY, which means people are just going to buy two for an increase in price....yeah, that makes sense, huh??!!

[MoonShade]

Good Lord, that is ridiculous. Sounds like something from a comedy tv show.
Wow. Just wow.