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    Default Medications that fall in Schedule II vs Schedule III.

    I thought this may be a useful tidbit for you guys. As the rules clarification states that Schedule II is offlimits for discussion in regards to 'transaction' -- but is ok when discussing it's properties, medical benefits, addiction, and so forth.

    So here is a general list of medications in Schedule II, and Schedule III. I will make note of those most commonly utilized with specific websites/sources. (IE: The popular guys).

    Schedule II Medications:


    Alfentanil
    Alphaprodine
    Bezitramide

    Bulk dextropropoxyphene (This is Darvocet,.. and is now banned)

    Carfentanil

    Dihydrocodeine (A more potent form of traditional codeine, without ceiling effect. Common in the UK.)

    Dihydroetorphine
    Ethylmorphine
    Etorphine hydrochloride


    Fentanyl (One of the most potent opiates. Measured in Mcg (Mirco grams, 1/1000th of a mg) *Commonly utilized in patches, ie: Duragesic patches to be worn for 72 hours)

    Hydromorphone (Aka: Dilaudid) -- Very potent I.V., has poor oral bioavailability. I.V. users would compare this to pharmaceutical '******'. FYI.


    Isomethadone
    Levo-alphacetylmethadol

    Levomethorphan
    Levorphanol
    Metazocine


    Methadone (I think most of you know what this is. -- most commonly used as an opiate dependent (usually I.V) maintenance therapy to allow one to stabilize their lives, and harm reduction. It is also quite a potent analgesic (painkiller).

    Methadone Intermediate
    Moramide Intermediate, 2-methyl-3-morpholino-1, 1-diphenylpropane-carboxylic acid
    Metopon

    Morphine (What started it all. The most common I.V. pain control in hospitals)

    Opium, extracts
    Opium, fluid
    Opium, granulated
    Opium, powdered[citation needed]
    Opium, raw
    Oripavine

    Codeine **In the United States, codeine is regulated by the Controlled Substances Act. It is a Schedule II controlled substance for pain-relief products containing codeine alone or more than 90 mg per dosage unit. Tablets of codeine in combination with aspirin or acetaminophen (paracetamol/Tylenol) made for pain relief are listed as Schedule III; and cough syrups are Schedule III or V, depending on formula.**

    Oxycodone (Most popular 'abusable' recreational opiate that is widely available. Oxycontin Formula was recently changed to disallow abuse via crushing or chewing to negate the time release mechanism (Of the Oxycontin formula, which is *time released* Oxycodone over 12 hours. The Instant Release variations of Oxycodone, ie: Roxicodone, Endocet, and so forth are still very much the same as before (ie: Crushable, chewable, etc.).

    Oxymorphone (Most commonly known as 'Opana' -- also beginning to be offered from BI's, likely due to the composition change in the OC's. This was created as a less euphoric alternative to Morphine at equi-analgesic doses. Though is still widely used for the effect. Highly effect analgesic.) Has IR and Time released variations.

    Pethidine (meperidine) (Also known as Demerol -- and is most commonly combined with Phenergan)

    Pethidine Intermediate A, 4-cyano-1-methyl-4-phenylpiperidine
    Pethidine Intermediate B, ethyl-4-phenylpiperidine-4-carboxylate
    Pethidine Intermediate C, 1-methyl-4-phenylpiperidine-4-carboxylic acid
    Phenazocine
    Piminodine
    Racemethorphan
    Racemorphan
    Remifentanil
    Sufentanil

    Thebaine (A natural derivative of the poppy plant, that has more stimulant properties compared to other alkaloids. IE: Hydrocodone is a combination of codeine and thebaine for example.)

    Stimulants:

    Amphetamine - Most popular in this class is adderall.

    Cocaine - Yes, this is a legal drug. It is also illegal, but in specific medical settings, namely hospital settings, it can be used.

    Methamphetamine

    Phenmetrazine

    Methylphenidate - AKA: Ritalin, Concerta. Widely available from BI's, and even IOPs.

    Lisdexamfetamine - Vyvanse (A newer stimulant for ADD/ADHD.)

    Depressants/Sedatives:


    Amobarbital
    Glutethimide
    Pentobarbital
    Phencyclidine
    Secobarbital

    Not much to say here -- the ***Barbital derivatives are most sought after, though most will not be offered anywhere.





    Schedule III medications:

    Stimulants:


    Benzphetamine
    Chlorphentermine
    Clortermine
    Phendimetrazine

    Depressants:

    Amobarbital
    Any derivative of Barbituric acid
    Chlorhexadol
    Embutramide
    Xyrem (sodium oxybate) oral solution [3]
    Ketamine
    Lysergic acid amide
    Methyprylon
    Pentobarbital
    Secobarbital
    Sulfondiethylmethane
    Sulfonethylmethane
    Sulfonmethane
    Tiletamine and zolazepam


    Pain, analgesic:

    Codeine -- With Tylenol, or Aspirin (Aka: Tylenol #3, Empirin)

    **In the United States, codeine is regulated by the Controlled Substances Act. It is a Schedule II controlled substance for pain-relief products containing codeine alone or more than 90 mg per dosage unit. Tablets of codeine in combination with aspirin or acetaminophen (paracetamol/Tylenol) made for pain relief are listed as Schedule III; and cough syrups are Schedule III or V, depending on formula. **


    Hydrocone - With Tylenol, Ibuprofen (Aka: Vicodin, Lorcet, Norco, Lortab, Vicoprofen) (Commonly found with BI's) Most commonly prescribed pain medication/analgesic from Dentists to PCP/GP's.

    Propoxyphene - With Tylenol , or Aspirin -- (Has been Banned in US) -- Still some around, but has low analgesic and recreational value.

    Buprenorphine (Can be found alone, or in conjunction with naloxone (aka: Suboxone) -- Used for pain management, and addiction maintenance with the suboxone variation.)

    Amobarbital & noncontrolled active ingred.
    Amobarbital/ephedrine capsules
    Amobarbital suppository dosage form
    Anabolic steroids "Body Building" drugs
    Aprobarbital
    Alurate
    Barbituric acid derivative
    Benzphetamine - Didrex, Inapetyl
    Boldenone - Equipoise, Parenabol, Vebonol, dehydrotestosterone
    Butabarbita - Butisol, Butibel
    Butalbital - Fiorinal, Butalbital with aspirin
    Chlorhexadol - Mechloral, Mecoral, Medodorm, Chloralodol
    Chlorotestosterone (same as clostebol)
    Chlorphentermine Pre-Sate, Lucofen, Apsedon, Desopimon
    Clortermine Voranil
    Clostebol Alfa-Trofodermin, Clostene, 4-chlorotestosterone

    Fiorinal, Tylenol, ASA or APAP w/codeine
    Dehydrochlormethyltestosterone Oral-Turinabol
    Dihydrocodeine Synalgos-DC, Compal
    Dihydrotestosterone (same as stanolone)
    Dronabinol in sesame oil in soft gelatin capsule Marinol, synthetic THC in sesame oil/soft gelatin
    Drostanolone Drolban, Masterid, Permastril
    Ethylestrenol Maxibolin, Orabolin, Durabolin-O, Duraboral
    Ethylmorphine
    Fluoxymesterone Anadroid-F, Halotestin, Ora-Testryl
    Formebolone Esiclene, Hubernol
    Tussionex, Tussend, Lortab, Vicodin, Hycodan, Anexsia ++
    Ketamine Ketaset, Ketalar, Special K, K
    Lysergic acid LSD precursor
    Lysergic acid amide LSD precursor
    Mesterolone Proviron
    Methandienone
    Methandranone
    Methandriol Sinesex, Stenediol, Troformone
    Methandrostenolone Dianabol, Metabolina, Nerobol, Perbolin
    Methenolone Primobolan, Primobolan Depot, Primobolan S
    Methyltestosterone Android, Oreton, Testred, Virilon
    Methyprylon Noludar
    Mibolerone Cheque

    Nalorphine Nalline
    Nandrolone Deca-Durabolin, Durabolin, Durabolin-50
    Norethandrolone Nilevar, Solevar

    Oxandrolone Anavar, Lonavar, Provitar, Vasorome
    Oxymesterone Anamidol, Balnimax, Oranabol, Oranabol 10
    Oxymetholone Anadrol-50, Adroyd, Anapolon, Anasteron, Pardroyd
    Pentobarbital & noncontrolled a
    Pentobarbital
    Phendimetrazine Plegine, Prelu-2, Bontril, Melfiat, Statobex

    Stanolone Anabolex, Andractim, Pesomax, dihydrotestosterone
    Stanozolol Winstrol, Winstrol-V

    Sulfondiethylmethane
    Sulfonethylmethane
    Sulfonmethane
    Talbutal Lotusate
    Testolactone Teslac
    Testosterone Android-T, Androlan, Depotest, Delatestryl
    Thiamylal Surital
    Thiopental Pentothal
    Tiletamine & Zolazepam Telazol
    Trenbolone Finaplix-S, Finajet, Parabolan
    Vinbarbital Delvinal, vinbarbitone


    This is not completely comprehensive,.. but should get you some general knowledge of the difference between the two classes.

    Lastly -- Here is a general clarification of the scheduling process. From I-V.

    Scheduling:

    Schedule I,
    n a category of drugs not considered legitimate for medical use. Included are ******, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), and marijuana.

    Schedule II,
    n a category of drugs considered to have a strong potential for abuse or addiction but that also have legitimate medical use. Included are opium, morphine, and cocaine.

    Schedule III,
    n a category of drugs that have less potential for abuse or addiction than Schedule I or II drugs and have a useful medical purpose. Included are short-acting barbiturates and amphetamines.

    Schedule IV,
    n a medically useful category of drugs that have less potential for abuse or addiction than those of Schedules I, II, and III. Included are diazepam and chloral hydrate.

    Schedule V,
    n a medically useful catiegory of drugs that have less potential for abuse or addiction than those of Schedules I through IV. Included are antidiarrheals and antitussives with opioid derivatives.

    Take care,
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    nice, but wayyyyy toooooo many buzz words for L3 to hit on when data-mining...imho...

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    especially given the recent climate on the internet...can never be too tight-lipped...

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-13 View Post
    nice, but wayyyyy toooooo many buzz words for L3 to hit on when data-mining...imho...

    Reading is a persons best past-time when researching meds... Control List

    especially given the recent climate on the internet...can never be too tight-lipped...

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    I disagree actually. You can't be so 'tight lipped' so to speak with this type of forum.

    The fact is google analytics has a pages information in a matter of hours or less, and is permanently accessible. Things on the internet are public domain, it is just the way it is.

    Law enforcement isn't basing their operations on 'buzzwords' that would be equally returned on DEA to Wikipedia domains.

    Point is there is nothing to hide in this regard.

    This forum has some base rules to keep the legality safe. Namely that the discussion of illegal sourcing and obtaining of Schedule I and II medications is plainly not allowed.

    LE doesn't go after pure information exchange. They go after the source of tangible illegal activity. The discussion of this information is beyond 'ok'.

    Take opiophile and forums similar -- there has been a huge base of discussion of growing opium/poppy plants, and THC for a half a decade or more. There is nothing on their backs.. except for the proverbial monkey that is likely attributed to their use of these substances.

    Another example would be blulight , or even drugs-forum -- they consist of injection of ******, methamphetamines, Cystal, crack, crank, as bad as it gets. There is no shutting down of this information etc.. because it is just information -- and in this country, technically,..as long as it isn't plans on how to create bombs and create 'terror' it is protected by the constitution. Now I know our government doesn't necessarily abide by this in monitoring.. but I assure you a site with the level of traffic currently available isn't a big ping on anyone's radar.

    I appreciate you thoughts on it.. I do. I just respectfully disagree because I have had direct experience with dealing with various websites in an administrative role and discussing the relevance to LE/DEA and 'paranoia abound' in this regard.

    There is more than enough data to be extrapolated via KDD from the huge data sets abound on this and the other splinters around the net.

    I guess what I'm saying is I've learned over the past 12 years that it isn't the amount of 'buzz words' that attracts or causes any negative results -- LE or intelligence have their eyes on specific targets which are not websites like this. Exchange of information.. even if this was discussion of SI methodology (and called "Harm reduction") -- would be benign in the grand scheme.

    With the data mining -- the mere link to the site you mentioned is automatically mined and tagged in reference to this domain, every single page and 'web' of it. Being typed here, or linked to a broader sense doesn't change the association to the site.

    The biggest concern people may have in this arena are the SY group -- which quite frankly has already been declared as targets for the DEA. But if you keep up with the news and happenings world wide you will know the rebel activity and all out 'war' that is going on in this highly volatile area, compounded with being in a separate country make it somewhat a lower priority plus the fact is these guys aren't like the NROP's of old where you had millions of people utilizing them... they are really 'small fish' in contrast. At least when it comes to any activity done via the SII-SIII-SIV activity. Now they may be involved in local "Cartel" activity, but that is extremely far away from us, and this subject matter.


    But bottom line, is there is nothing to hide here. There is nothing illegal happening *here* on this domain. What happens in Mexico, and so on is a separate entitiy from this site. If people exhange via PM's source information.. especially selling medications.. of any schedule that is illegal,.. but that isn't of much interest to LE either unless it was a source making millions... Though if people are caught participating in such activity they should be not tolerated and removed rapidly. With free exchange of information there is going to be a level of 'inappropriate' behavior that has to be first detected and then dealt with. This is the inherent problem with free speech and free will to start with -- but the alternative (being slaves or robots basically) is not acceptable.

    That said,.. if it makes the majority feel better because of inherent paranoia.. I can happily alter the original post to include only the popular medications utilized. I am not stubborn, I just state my opinion based on reasonable knowledge but do not oppose any majority.

    I appreciate your concern here, and if people dictate it will be changed to make your mind feel at ease.

    Take care,

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    Not to bust your chops my db friend but pure codeine is also schedule two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neofate View Post
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    (...) That said,.. if it makes the majority feel better because of inherent paranoia.. I can happily alter the original post to include only the popular medications utilized. (...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunbulldog View Post
    Not to bust your chops my db friend but pure codeine is also schedule two.

    Indeed it is, thank you. I have updated with specifics.

    It you find anything else that need attention please post it.

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    I think an exception to the points you've made about law enforcement and its ability to use the Internet for enforcement information would be the drug forums on topix.
    There seems to be an interesting pattern there when some moron advertises that he has 500 OxyContin tabs to peddle, posts his personal email and/or phone number and is never heard from again on that "discussion" board.
    Who knows if they actually got popped but when a drug dealer's location is listed under their name and their personal info is so openly advertised, it would be like shooting fish in a barrel to find and arrest them along with their customers who also list the same personal identifiers.
    It's like playing a preschool version of Where's Waldo.
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    @Neofate-

    The only thing I noticed that I would change is one *very small* point. Oxycodone is indeed listed as it should as Sch 2, but your description of the new formula to prevent snorting/injecting is only for Oxycontin. Other forms of oxycodone (like Roxicodone) and oxycodone/tylenol (Percocet) have no new formula.
    Since most people on these forums hopefully want meds for pain and not to re-sell or use just to party, so pain patients are unlikely to do anything other than swallow oxycodone anyways since it has such a high bioavailability (eating it doesn't end up destroying a large portion of the active ingredient like swallowing morphine does).
    It's a small point but I just thought it would be worth mentioning.

    I was going to also ask if someone could group these by type/category instead of just alphabetically but then I saw that was also done. Very excellent work, and now no one can claim ignorance if they are talking about where to buy one of these substances and say they shouldn't have been warned/banned because they didn't know it was Sch 2. Dr. Boris, thank you very much for this. (I also didn't know that codeine by itself is Sch 2, and I see that it was initially left off the list - sometimes I really don't get why things are scheduled how they are but I guess lots of things don't make sense do they?).

    Great work and thanks, this is an excellent resource and this forum gets better all the time. I can't believe you do all this and don't get paid for your help. I hope you realize how much the forum members do appreciate your time and knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cv2006 View Post
    Dr. Boris -

    The only thing I noticed that I would change is one *very small* point. Oxycodone is indeed listed as it should as Sch 2, but your description of the new formula to prevent snorting/injecting is only for Oxycontin. Other forms of oxycodone (like Roxicodone) and oxycodone/tylenol (Percocet) have no new formula.
    Great work and thanks, this is an excellent resource and this forum gets better all the time. I can't believe you do all this and don't get paid for your help. I hope you realize how much the forum members do appreciate your time and knowledge.


    CV -- I will make the necessary changes now. Thanks for helping strive for excellence here.

    Great community.

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    I'm sorry? I didn't quite understand this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neofate View Post
    CV -- I will make the necessary changes now. Thanks for helping strive for excellence here.

    Great community.
    Sorry, I just realized I addressed Dr. Boris instead of you @Neofate. Sorry about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cv2006 View Post
    Sorry, I just realized I addressed Dr. Boris instead of you @Neofate. Sorry about that.
    Ah, his wish is my command anyway -- I knew what you meant, no biggie.

  12. Where can I find a history of drug laws / scheduling? I'm confused by this whole thing-- for instance vyvanse is schedule 2-- though it's touted as a less abusable drug. seems to me like its a ploy to benefit doctors. You have to come in every month for a script. cant be called in...

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    vyvanse can be abused, just like any stimulant medication, you just cant snort the stuff. If a stimulant medication is medically needed no one should be putting the stuff up their noses anyway imo.
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    Vyvanse was formulated to breakdown only with stomach juices.... it is Adderall but with an added enzyme... it can only be taken orally for effect.... My son is on this medication and that is how his doc described it, in simpler terms....
    It most certainly be abused orally, just not through snorting or shooting up... it is a schedule 2 .... my son needs a new written Rx every single refill... no exceptions... this shit is like gold I say...

  15. known as 'Opana' -- also beginning to be offered from BI's, likely due to the composition change in the OC's. <This was created as a less euphoric alternative to Morphine>...

    Is that a tip or a warning? It says don't discuss II's so why did you? Neofate DB Poobah Person!
    (...ban any discussion at all anywhere in the forums of procuring schedule I or II controlled substances: -- discussed here.)

  16. thank you for posting this, good info!

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    Just noticed this thread after searching for it. I had a couple of edits made to my posts because I didn't realise that one of the medications I was discussing was a schedule 2 drug in the U.S.A. I must apologise to @tinmuning and everyone for this over-sight on my part.

    Even though the U.K shares many things with it's bigger brother across the Atlantic Ocean, it would seem that where we do differ considerably is the scheduling and legality of certain medications.

    I'm not sure if anyone would be kind enough to clarify this for me but if I'm in possession of a valid prescription does this mean I cannot discuss that medication too? Also, as the laws surrounding online consultations differ in the U.K (ie they are not strictly against law as in the U.S) does this mean it would be inappropriate to discuss medicines that may be ordered via an online consultation?

    Again, my profound apologies for my slip-ups.

    Many thanks.

  18. great info! better detail than the wikipedia article I was reading on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miffytherabbit View Post
    I had a couple of edits made to my posts because I didn't realise that one of the medications I was discussing was a schedule 2 drug in the U.S.A.

    ...if I'm in possession of a valid prescription does this mean I cannot discuss that medication too
    Good point @miffytherabbit. After thinking about this started giving me a headache, I also realized that you may have uncovered a Catch-22 (or not!) for discussions on the PR forum pertaining to (as far as the USA's CFR Title 21 regs state) what constitutes a Schedule I and II medication/substance. I guess it will always be an Admin's call.

    I apologize if this is OT, but in addition, what happens to the person(s) when traveling across nation borders, wrt Scheduled meds? Are they bound by the regs of that country no matter what, even if that drug is necessary for that person's health?

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    You are allowed to cross international borders with a three month supply of your own medication. So Magchik, it's no problem if it's scheduled or not as long as you have a prescription.
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