Diazepam (Valium) opinions

[jimbomon]

Hey BlackBear (or anyone else who might know), I have a few questions. the first is what is voguerx .net? or something else? I agree w you that rnbxy's are the ABSOLUTE KING of the Val's. Another question was, do you (or anyone else) know of any sites reliable that carry them(other than any of the AMG groups as we had a falling out over the recent quality of their Pfizer (Parke-Davis) 1mg Xanax, and they proceeded to refunded and then BANNED me. I didn't ask for a full refund b.c the Val's were TeraRanbx but that's just how they do business I guess (lol I would've bought sooo much more diaz had they not ban me just as I have over the last year from their various sites, very silly).Sorry for the long digression. Also when I go to vogue rx (.net), It shows the Terapia but says Terapia-ROCHE. But do they ship the Terapia Ranbaxy?

Thanks Black Bear and anyone else who can help!

[gstone]

Theyre is plenty of other iop`s out there, its getting harder to find the good ones and no1 wants to spread the word on a good iop so customs catches along.`look at this way atleast you got your money back, that companies banning you to make room for another online med seeker. Im not too up on the vogue rx but my guess would be they would ship the cheaper brand like all iops do bro. Sorry couldnt help but tried.

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Diazpam ampules each contain 10mg of diazapam aka valium. They keep these on places such as airplanes or trains incase they have to calm someone down who's in a panic. Some people will actually dry the liquid out to diazpam powder but remember your getting 10mg per ampule so its useless. As for Pax they stand up to my american generic 10mg valium made by mylan the worst generic company imo. The best are banana flavored clonopins, I haven't had those in yrs.

[Burglarandco]

I have the PAX 10 based on several posts I have read over the last 3 weeks or so. I have not tried any yet, but will update when I have a little more input.

[endo1]

I like apaurins personally, although I have never tried terapias due to many complaints Ive seen on here about people receiving very hard pills (not just limited to one vendor btw) that were not very strong due to being (presumably) expired. I would like to try them eventually, after I find a source that carries legit, fresh teraps.

the generic D10s from s.literx are also very good, but I believe they may be homemade. not that there's anything wrong with that, I use some of J's other "bathtub" meds and they have always worked without any problems but Ill always take professionally manufactured lab quality products over homemade stuff. the d10 are definitely very strong though, not quite as good as the apaurins but still quite potent.

bensedin is also very good. I got to try a few as a sample included in an order and they felt very strong. Id like to see how they compare to the apaurins, Ive seen some people place them at or above the aups. Ill give my $0.02 regarding those two shortly when my bensedins arrive

[waverunner]

@Blockhead@Coheed, @Gladheart, @peaceman, @Longbaugh, @surfer169, @Etherealremnant, @sophie30, @teresita, @betsky, @Waterfall, @Alternate, @keith R Stone, @miffytherabbit, @billyboy1965, @jimmyfingers--can't remember -- ALL OF YOU GUYS--I missed you:

At long last, found a dr to taper me off xanax (well kinda) with valium (tapered down from 6mg to 3mg and couldn't have made it without all you at PR) --doc hates xanax, won't script it, only does quick switch to val--10 + 5mg val 3X/day and can't complain, right? But it is SO-O-0 hard, 5th day and it is so hard...

SO, this is my problem. Have to ask cvs to order a different generic than the 5mg Mylan--crumbled into pieces (plus they are the worst!) and the 10mg Teva *seems SO weak after the Pax, guess it's just the adjustment from long term xanax--again, happy just to get off this ride from Hell.

QUESTION: Researching other generics to replace the Mylan:
Watson, Qualitest, anyone suggest any others? (forget Mallinkrodt, any disagreement there?) In short, which U.S. generic have you found to be strongest, highest quality generic (fairly recently I guess, since companies keep buying other companies, it's hard to keep track).

Don't know if the 10mg Teva is weak or it's just the sudden switch from xanax. Any opinions on U.S. Teva--is it as good as any other?

ANYTHING you can pour from YOUR collective fountain of knowledge is greatly, sincerely, very much appreciated! *And as usual, fam is making their presence known so must escape till the morn, but please, this is really important, got one shot to get this right -- my favorite, most compassionate AND benzowise pharmacist is leaving in a week and only she will do this special order generic switch for me. Hope this message is clearer than my head right now cause those Mylans SU___ big time, again jury's out on CVS' Teva)

Thanks and take care now............................................... .............WR

[Gladheart]

@waverunner

Great news to hear you are tapering off Xanax!!! Is is interesting that there are a lot less US pharmaceutical companies making diazepam these days. It seems most doctors want to script people Xanax or Klonopin these days. I always thought Diazepam was a great medication for anxiety.

Some options for you that I can recommend for US generic Diazepam are Activas Purepac and Qualitest brands. I find the green 10mg Mylans to be not too bad IMO. I realize that as you taper down you need a hard pill to break into little pieces. I am also considering switching from Xanax to Valium and tapering down to a lower level.

Congratulations and really try to keep to the taper schedule your doctor has setup for you and keep us updated on your progress. Just remember this is going to be a marathon and not a race.

[chris100]

What are the effects when you taper off xanax??? How does it make your body feel? Is it like opiates or the same? I never thought nothing could be worse coming off opiates. So how does it make you feel?

[Roswell1947]

ANYTHING you can pour from YOUR collective
fountain of knowledge is greatly, sincerely, very much appreciated!

The Watson Danbury and the Qualitest.
Images to follow. Call around to the smaller pharmacies.
Not the big box stores like: CVS, Walgreen, Rite Aid, Costco, Sam's etc.who
carry just mylan,teva, barr etc. which are inferior IMO.
My wife gets the teva 5mg and when I give her 1/2 pax 10mg she says the pax are much stronger.
The Dan (Danbury) Watson are 2 companies like Terapia/Ranbaxy
These are the blue Dan 5620.
Qualitest have the check mark in the second image.




Call around to the smaller mom &pop compounding pharmacies.
Ask for the pharmacist.
Tell them the generic manufacturer, strength and quantity
you need and ask the price. I've done this 50 times and they are always
polite and helpful. They want your business.
@waverunner

[billyboy1965]

QUESTION: Researching other generics to replace the Mylan:
Watson, Qualitest, anyone suggest any others? (forget Mallinkrodt, any disagreement there?)

ANYTHING you can pour from YOUR collective fountain of knowledge is greatly, sincerely, very much appreciated!

Congratulations. This is out of my league. Both my Valium and Xanax are scripted to me and I walk out of the pharmacy with whatever they put in the bottle. My .25 Xanax are white and my 5 mg Valium are orange. I seldom take them and I wouldn't know the difference.

[dragonxp]

anyone ever had diazepam from Hemofarm? (Hemofarm is a serbia manufacturer)

[waverunner]

What are the effects when you taper off xanax??? How does it make your body feel? Is it like opiates or the same? I never thought nothing could be worse coming off opiates. So how does it make you feel?

@Chris, 4 words—DON’T GET ME STARTED on the withdrawal! It’s a dangerous, deadly med, PM me if you REALLY want the gory details, ok? Glad to help in any way...

OH, @Gladheart, @Rowell10mg, @billyboy1965, @Blockhead ==all you guys, TRUTH, I would not be alive today if I hadn’t found PR, what a great family—hardly ever get a chance to get on the board lately with the fam looking over my shoulder ==those of you who have to hide from whoever, like you’re doing something wrong being a part of this group, they just don’t understand. I know for those of you in my situation find it hard seeing everyone having fun, helping each other-- it’s like impossible trying just to read what you need to read—much less, grabbing a minute to post—just don’t let it get you down or keep you away, it’s a great group, a REAL group, and I thank God I found these guys.

Looks like Watson or Qualitest is the consensus? I’ll be thrilled with either of these after Mylan, Teva and Mallincrodt crud—SO BAD IME—but if they won’t special order either, I don’t know if another pharmacist, one that doesn’t know me, will accept scripts from another state (YES, I had to go 1000 miles to find a legitimate doc willing to taper me off this hellish, toxic drug.) My benzowise pharmacist is leaving in 3 days, so got to get this straight before new management takes over. Maybe a Mom and Pop if she can’t do it, will have to work hard tomorrow.

I’ve got a long road ahead, and I’m frightened as Hell, but I see the light at the end of the tunnel, finally. Just hope to God this doc is a good, wise man, cause have almost no faith in the medical community, they just beat you down till you’re so tired of praying for ONE doctor out there who will understand, and a pharmacist who will work with you—I just hope to God this guy is different than all the rest.

Any other ideas, please, this is new territory for me and I have some alone time tomorrow, so will be checking in, and hopefully, I'll have some good news from CVS.

Take care everyone, will “see” you tomorrow………………………….WR

[Quaalude]

@Blockhead@Coheed, @Gladheart, @peaceman, @Longbaugh, @surfer169, @Etherealremnant, @sophie30, @teresita, @betsky, @Waterfall, @Alternate, @keith R Stone, @miffytherabbit, @billyboy1965, @jimmyfingers--can't remember -- ALL OF YOU GUYS--I missed you:

At long last, found a dr to taper me off xanax (well kinda) with valium (tapered down from 6mg to 3mg and couldn't have made it without all you at PR) --doc hates xanax, won't script it, only does quick switch to val--10 + 5mg val 3X/day and can't complain, right? But it is SO-O-0 hard, 5th day and it is so hard...

SO, this is my problem. Have to ask cvs to order a different generic than the 5mg Mylan--crumbled into pieces (plus they are the worst!) and the 10mg Teva *seems SO weak after the Pax, guess it's just the adjustment from long term xanax--again, happy just to get off this ride from Hell.

QUESTION: Researching other generics to replace the Mylan:
Watson, Qualitest, anyone suggest any others? (forget Mallinkrodt, any disagreement there?) In short, which U.S. generic have you found to be strongest, highest quality generic (fairly recently I guess, since companies keep buying other companies, it's hard to keep track).

Don't know if the 10mg Teva is weak or it's just the sudden switch from xanax. Any opinions on U.S. Teva--is it as good as any other?

ANYTHING you can pour from YOUR collective fountain of knowledge is greatly, sincerely, very much appreciated! *And as usual, fam is making their presence known so must escape till the morn, but please, this is really important, got one shot to get this right -- my favorite, most compassionate AND benzowise pharmacist is leaving in a week and only she will do this special order generic switch for me. Hope this message is clearer than my head right now cause those Mylans SU___ big time, again jury's out on CVS' Teva)

Thanks and take care now............................................... .............WR

For God's sake, call around and find any generic BESIDES MYLAN. I hate to appear a hate monger with this company but the generics they produce are CRAP. TOTAL CRAP. Don't know if it's with their binders, formulation, quality control department or what but as you've found out, MYLAN sucks. Hate this for you. It appears to be Wal-Mart's house brand with their generics and I agree, call around to the lesser known mom and pops pharmacies in your area and inquire. Most won't mind (however might wonder) why you ask or are interested. It's not their business why you need to know just to get, obtain, and keep your business.

Best Of Luck And Take Care

Q

[Roswell1947]

Most won't mind (however might wonder) why you ask or are interested.
It's not their business why you need to know just to get, obtain, and keep your business.

Just tell them you are allergic to the fillers in the Mylan or Mallies.
Corn starch, stearic acid. I was rarely asked.
In the yellow pages, go through the small names like
Larry's pharmacy, Wilson's pharmacy.
I didn't know it was out of state.
That shouldn't be a problem for Sch III & IV meds though.
Doubt CVS will order for you.
I tried with Costco to get decent generic ambien besides that horrid TEVA
and Northstar and they wouldn't budge.
But I found a Mom & Pop downtown that has the Qualitest ambien.
Yes look downtown in the heart of the city for an old 30 yrs
combo pharmacy and gift shop type place.
@waverunner

[waverunner]

@Quaalude, @Rowell10mg: You're right, Probably will come down to Mom n Pop. (Sorry bout the long post-Got a question bout Pax for ya'll down below)

But geez, you'd think when I show them the crumbling Mylans, they'd have to do something if I ask for a different generic. The pharmacist who’s been so cooperative—even told me “so many doctors don’t understand that you have to taper off these VERY gradually, you’re lucky to have found one”, and my new dr said, "boy, she really thinks a lot of you" (had no idea bout that), maybe I'll get lucky, though I think it's pharmacy policy you can't replace once you leave the store, right? When she leaves next week, don't know who has the final say so. So will try to set it up this weekend before she goes, I guess

Do pharmacies use certain companies for each type of drug or do they have sort of a blanket contract and order the cheapest benzo or pk available==anyone know?

If this doc was in state, I wouldn’t hesitate to ask for Watson for the tapering, but Qualitest is my only hope with CVS, as far as I know--got Carispodal for a couple months made by them but stopped, and D***, they really did help A LOT. Just didn't want to be dependent on yet another drug.

RE: Title question above: I have compared Pax every which way to other generic U.S. benzos and IME it is significantly stronger than any of them, including the 5mg Mylan (expected) and the 10mg Teva (kinda growing on me as not too bad after a week) that I’m currently taking. I’ve often wondered if there were other, shall we say, “active ingredients” in them, perhaps non-benzo ones?

Any ideas on this? Would be elated if someone posted they had a UA or blood test while taking Pax and it showed up as NOTHING but diazepam, cause my paranoid primary doctor will be testing me come midJuly – was hoping to shove my new “taper” doctor’s report in his face, . That doctor had nothing to worry about when the DEA started investigating and successfully prosecuting doctors at the illegitimate “pain mills”, yet he was so paranoid about it all, and xanax seemed like it was at the top of his “stop prescribing” list!

I saw his notes from my last visit, when I was trying desperately to taper down the benzos quickly and I had 5 or so extra from the 6mg/day xan he had prescribed me. That was the day he told me he was stopping all scripts for schedule II and benzos, and handed me my last one and said, good luck! HE ACTUALLY HAD WRITTEN SOMETHING LIKE “VERY FISHY, EXTRA XANAX LEFT THIS VISIT. IS THE DAUGHTER SELLING IT????

Can you believe that??? he’s known her almost a decade, the F*(*(Z WIMP! Oh, the best part is I don’t know how I can get rid of him --my entire disability pension depends on what he writes on each yearly review! So I’m stuck smiling, “yessuh, doctor, suh” and I feel like punching him out—my daughter won’t even go near pot anymore, NOTHING, and he knows this well, often commented on this as she must have talked to him. He’s just covering for himself ‘cause anyone reading my history would have a lot of questions for him.

I don’t know how I can even look him in the face at my next visit without betraying my feelings…and again, my apologies, sincerely. Seems we’ve all got these dr stories…yet there are those few who make it worth it somehow.

No, I'm not crazy, just so, so tired….

Will check back tomorrow cause my pharmacist wasn’t in today—will talk to her Saturday.

And, seriously, if anyone has had a drug test while taking PAX from TTMO or, guess, whereever, I would truly appreciate any information on whether it reads as valium only (God, I hope so!) on your standard drs office UA and/or laboratory blood test, or if there’s something a little extra that accounts for it’s unusual properties and strength—again, IMHO.

Thanks again all and take care of yourselves……………………………………WR

[itis]

Having taken many firms of vals, from American generics, mexi roche, terapia, pax and betas, I'm still on the fence about the pax being strongest. I have noticed an increase in "side effects" more so than effectiveness. I personally loved the terapias a year ago, price was right and a quality generic, very very hard indeed. Now I think the betas pack more actual diazapam punch than others for the money. Jmho anyways

[Quaalude]

@waverunner

I can only speak from my horrific experiences with Wal-Mart and know they must have some sort of vendor/distributor contract with Mylan for a lot of their generics (especially with their diazepam, alprazolam products). Don't know what they dole out as far as PKs or anything like that. I also know they dispense Teva brand generic Ambien tabs. As for the the other chains (CVS, Walgreens, Rite Aid, etc.), I personally cannot speak for. Having worked in pharmacy and ordering pharmaceuticals in the past, cheaper generics and contracts do enter the picture. I can't divulge when and where I've worked but put together many a purchase order. My prior experiences were institutional in nature. Retail is hell. Just about anyone can tell you that. I'm not a disgruntled ex-pharmacy employee, so let's get that out of the way. I do know that Rite Aid stocks the wonderful Greenstone generic brand of Xanax (alprazolam) but I refuse to patronize that place for various reasons. Well, actually it's because my experiences in dealing with their pharmacists have been incredibly BAD. The experience is much akin to dealing with an unregulated Nazi regime and frainkly, their pharmacists are do-what-they want bastards. Yes, that is only my experience and opinion, but I also know that complaining up the chain of command to regional managers does nothing to help---ah, retail! Perhaps I'm just one of those unlucky folks that resides in an area in which attracts this type of personality in pharmacy professionals, I don't know, but I've have very bad luck dealing with that chain. Apparently, they have trouble hiring and retaining retail pharmacists in some of their areas/stores. I know, TMI, but that's pretty much why I stay away from the bigger drugstores. It's a MUCH less personal experience. In all actuality, it's probably this way in all the big chain stores. I would much rather patronize the hometown, mom and pop operations. I've found they'll match anyone's prices, much less hassle and wait, and you aren't herded like cattle as with the Wal-Mart pharmacy department. Truthfully, it's really nice these small-town drug stores are able to still operate and compete against the big chain store giants.

I been around and around with various generics and can pretty much tell which suck when it comes to benzos. You've unfortunately already found out the hard way with Mylan. You're lucky to get them swallowed without them crumbing within the vial, all over your fingers/hands, or all over your mouth. WTF? Sorry to ramble but I know you're situation is frustrating.

Best Of Luck & Hang In There!

Q

[JoeyButtafuoco]

Mom and pop pharmacies will be willing to order the generic of your choice if they don't have it in stock. A few of the major chains will work with you as well. It usually comes in the next day so not much of a weight. If they ask you why, tell them you have trouble swallowing pills and X brand is easiest for you to swallow.

[LiquidOrgasm]

The Watson Danbury and the Qualitest.
Images to follow. Call around to the smaller pharmacies.
Not the big box stores like: CVS, Walgreen, Rite Aid, Costco, Sam's etc.who
carry just mylan,teva, barr etc. which are inferior IMO.
My wife gets the teva 5mg and when I give her 1/2 pax 10mg she says the pax are much stronger.
The Dan (Danbury) Watson are 2 companies like Terapia/Ranbaxy
These are the blue Dan 5620.
Qualitest have the check mark in the second image.




Call around to the smaller mom &pop compounding pharmacies.
Ask for the pharmacist.
Tell them the generic manufacturer, strength and quantity
you need and ask the price. I've done this 50 times and they are always
polite and helpful. They want your business.
@waverunner

Second pic looks like an X pill. First thing that came to mind when I saw it, with the specs n such on it and the design. Only thing missing was a Superman logo and it would have been a dead give away!

[Perromaldido]

They're so nicely pressed scored and embossed it would have to be the king of X labs. Anyway...yes much attention paid to the graphics

Perro

[Roswell1947]

@jimmyfingers

A few of the major chains will work with you as well.

Could you please name a few?
Perhaps one is in my area. Thank you.

@LiquidOrgasm

Second pic looks like an X pill. First thing that came to mind when I saw it, with the specs n such on it and the design. Only thing missing was a Superman logo and it would have been a dead give away!

That's funny!
You're right...looks like viagra.
Mrs Ro gets the Qualitest ambien
and it has the same checkmark logo.