Email Correspondence with Supplier

[sjccdien]

I have been thinking any orders that are placed online through email I wonder if they are deleted after the order is fulfilled. I ask because if an the vendor gets caught (like a Mexico pharmacy) I would hate the cops to have records of all the people & locations meds have been sent to. Anyone know if the records are deleted by the supplier?

[arizona]

I have been thinking any orders that are placed online through email I wonder if they are deleted after the order is fulfilled. I ask because if an the vendor gets caught (like a Mexico pharmacy) I would hate the cops to have records of all the people & locations meds have been sent to. Anyone know if the records are deleted by the supplier?

Even if your emails are deleted, it can take months for the emails to actually leave the servers (although you yourself usually can't access them without legal reasons). In the US, if someone had a warrant, they could see all the history from at least 6 months prior, even for deleted emails (generally). I don't really know how it would work across country borders.

"*Please be aware, residual copies of deleted messages and accounts may take up to 60 days to be deleted from our active servers and may remain in our backup systems." Deleting messages - Gmail Help (Other email places are similar, and my God is Facebook one of the worst.)

I would also not count on vendors deleting messages in the first place.

[_jenny_]

do not write anything in an email you do not want to see on CNN with your name and face plastered next to it. same goes for all forms of unencrypted internet communication.

[MattMar]

I don't see how it's possible to write an email to some vendors without including some information that intended only for them to read. How do others do that?

[_jenny_]

one way to mitigate (not eliminate!) the risk is to go to a internet cafe or a public library, preferably as far away from where you live as possible. get on the net and set up a free email acct somewhere, email the vendor, log out.

the next day (or in a few hrs if the vendor is known to respond quick) go to a (preferably) different cafe or hotspot, log into that same email account, and get your reply.

NEVER log onto that email acct from your home ISP and/or office connection/computer!!! and use that email address ONLY to communicate with the vendor, nothing else.

low tech and requires some legwork, but anyone can do it, even a nearly computer illiterate girl like myself!

edit: oh, and ALWAYS use the computers at the cafe/hotspot, NEVER your own laptop. always pay in cash if payment is required for the cafe.

[cajunbulldog]

My concept is simple.I use safe-mail.net for ordering and go with the flow.No troubles yet in last two years of ordering. I don't buy heavy stuff just codeine based meds or light Benzo's.

[Carter]

one way to mitigate (not eliminate!) the risk is to go to a internet cafe or a public library, preferably as far away from where you live as possible. get on the net and set up a free email acct somewhere, email the vendor, log out.

the next day (or in a few hrs if the vendor is known to respond quick) go to a (preferably) different cafe or hotspot, log into that same email account, and get your reply.

NEVER log onto that email acct from your home ISP and/or office connection/computer!!! and use that email address ONLY to communicate with the vendor, nothing else.

low tech and requires some legwork, but anyone can do it, even a nearly computer illiterate girl like myself!

edit: oh, and ALWAYS use the computers at the cafe/hotspot, NEVER your own laptop. always pay in cash if payment is required for the cafe.

@_jenny_ , Good post, I have been thinking this for a fairly long time also but am basically too lazy. Yep your right, as long as at your home your network activity is recorded even using things like changing changing your IP, MAC, using TOR you still hit your provider (e.g. verizon) first. One thing I've been researching is how to temporarily change the MAC on my computer so I could use my own machine at starbucks, or some another wifi spot... without leaving that unique ID each of our computers has.

"The MAC address is a unique value associated with a network adapter. MAC addresses are also known as hardware addresses or physical addresses. They uniquely identify an adapter on a LAN." (quote from Computerworld paper discussion on MAC.


Anyone who has a simple way to toggle their MAC address (Windows 7 64 bit - I know ,there are some restrictions on what can be used) a post with the info, or any other parameter that needs to be changed, would be appreciated.

Anyway if LE wants to spend hundreds of thousands dollars, and utilize the NSA taps into all USA Telco equipment (yep it's been implemented) to get a bust on an otherwise law abiding citizen (that would be me, lol) for ordering 90 zannies for personal use every month or two....well more power to them.
Let me caveat that last rant...I would probably seriously consider doing what you suggested in your post if I was making lots of Sched II/BI orders.

Cheers

[_jenny_]

Let me caveat that last rant...I would probably seriously consider doing what you suggested in your post if I was making lots of Sched II/BI orders.

i haven't nor ever will order any sched II, my god i wouldn't have the nerve for that not even close. im a GAD girl with occasional panic attacks ... so i don't need any Sched II meds to treat me thank goodness!!!

i just texted a boy i know who knows tech stuff about how to change a MAC address, will let you know when he replies. to the best of my knowledge, the MAC address of your computer is only used as an identifier on the local area network (LAN) and the gateway router does not forward it out onto the internet. i could be wrong though, i certainty ain't no techie, just have dated a few and picked up a tip here and there.

as always, google, wiki, etc are your friend. try "mac address change software" or something similar. best wishes!

[Carter]

@_jenny_ , My apologies, I did not intend for my ScedII/BI frequent customers comment at the end of my last post to be worded/directed to you, and thanks for getting someone to check on the MAC thing.

PD/GAD....my curse also.

[_jenny_]

@Carter no apologies necessary i took no offense, i was just saying how thankful i am NOT to have to need to order those meds as omg that would make me nervous!

just had another idea ... if you use a different computer each time your MAC address will change because each MAC is unique to each computer.

[arizona]

do not write anything in an email you do not want to see on CNN with your name and face plastered next to it. same goes for all forms of unencrypted internet communication.

Regarding encrypted info: Hushmail is one of the most-used in regards to encryption, but as a warning: it only works when BOTH parties are using Hushmail. There is a way to send an email to a non-hushmail user where they will have to go to the server to read it and it might thus be safer. Note that I haven't used nor looked into HM in a long time, so this info could be outdated, but worth looking into.

do not write anything in an email you do not want to see on CNN with your name and face plastered next to it. same goes for all forms of unencrypted internet communication.

Regarding encrypted info: Hushmail is one of the most-used in regards to encryption, but as a warning: it only works when BOTH parties are using Hushmail. There is a way to send an email to a non-hushmail user where they will have to go to the server to read it and it might thus be safer. Note that I haven't used nor looked into HM in a long time, so this info could be outdated, but worth looking into.

[_jenny_]

@arizona or anyone else who might know, is hushmail encrypted such that only the sender and receiver can decrypt the email (given of course they are both emailing each other from hushmail accts) or do the site owners get a copy of the decryption key and/or de-encrypted version of the email to store on their server as well?

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@arizona or anyone else who might know, is hushmail encrypted such that only the sender and receiver can decrypt the email (given of course they are both emailing each other from hushmail accts) or do the site owners get a copy of the decryption key and/or de-encrypted version of the email to store on their server as well?

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Anyone who has a simple way to toggle their MAC address (Windows 7 64 bit - I know ,there are some restrictions on what can be used) a post with the info, or any other parameter that needs to be changed, would be appreciated.

my friend got back to me ... here's what he said ...

On Linux Systems (requires root access)
#ifconfig eth0 down
#ifconfig eth0 hw ether 11:11:11:11:11:ab
#ifconfig eth0 up

On Windows Systems (requires Administrator access)
Start > Run > regedit > OK
Set key "NetworkAddress" to your desired MAC address under

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Class\{4D36E972-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}

Close regedit and reboot.

[sjccdien]

I had never heard of hushmail before but i will certainly look into now. I guess @Carter is right though - if LE wants to spend resources going after the small fish then let em.

[Bungalobill]

I'm probably mising something here, but after you've used your favorite method to conceal your IP address, spoof a MAC address (there is a long discussion in and of itself) .. chances are you sent a delivery name and address for package delivery, so the IP and MAC addresses become smewhat inconsequential.

[arizona]

@_jenny_ I'm pretty sure that only the sender and receiver receive the encrypted files. It's passed through the system encrypted. It's been a long time since I've used Hushmail and their website would probably have a lot more up-to-date info than I do.

Thanks for the info on changing MAC address!

I'm probably mising something here, but after you've used your favorite method to conceal your IP address, spoof a MAC address (there is a long discussion in and of itself) .. chances are you sent a delivery name and address for package delivery, so the IP and MAC addresses become smewhat inconsequential.

Only if the problem is that someone is actually reading the emails, not just intercepting them. (Which is what we were talking about in the first place, but whatevs.)

[Bungalobill]

@_jenny_ I'm pretty sure that only the sender and receiver receive the encrypted files. It's passed through the system encrypted. It's been a long time since I've used Hushmail and their website would probably have a lot more up-to-date info than I do.

Thanks for the info on changing MAC address!


Only if the problem is that someone is actually reading the emails, not just intercepting them. (Which is what we were talking about in the first place, but whatevs.)

I just reread the first question in the thread and the writer was talking about the email being read. Unless someone is using an encrypted service at both ends or VPN, your email contents potentially have all the privacy of a stadium jumbotron if somebody really wants to see it. As far as mac addresses go .. which one are we talking about altering .. the one associated with your cable modem, the one associated with your router or the nic?

[themoshx2]

I have a strong association with most investigative procedures, one's rights, etc. After explaining your reason to suspect something, obtaining authorization to do an investigation [possibly resulting in a huge expense], proving you have probable cause to even think about a subpeona for an internet provider, it had better result in something pretty substantial. Believe me, you are not on the radar, so to speak.

[Bungalobill]

@themoshx2,

I've maintained that although it is possible to get in trouble as little tiny fish, there's a lot to be said in favor of being very small time and insignificant in the grand scheme of things. It sounds like what you're saying is based on your knowledge of investigative procedures, an investigation is like a business venture in some ways. Somebody somewhere is measuring return on investment. Additionally it sounds like a seriously career limiting move if the return on your investigative investment is pocket change (aka people like most of us). Is that basically accurate?

[lseven7]

Hushmail has cooperated with law enforcement in the past, they were subpoenaed and gave LEO the 'keys' to the castle. Just google it. Safe-mail.net is a better option, they are based in a location where they don't have to respond US law. Most email vendors require buyers to use pgp encryption. That's a much safer system. There are many tutorials on you tube about how to install and use pgp. It was hard to get used to at first, but now it's smooth sailing. BI vendors and online pharms will never use encrytpion.

[snowangel308]

Is there a "for dummies" translation? Just reading this stuff seriously makes my head hurt lol