DEA in Charge of OXY production?

[smithieh]

Give it a read for a behind the scenes look at US drug policy. And perhaps social control, and budget control. And if I was cynical I might say read Animal Farm - George Orwell again.

From this article it's difficult to tell exactly what the DEA is in 'charge' of. : DEA Boosts Painkiller Supply and People Die

And from the White House : National Drug Control Strategy Too long and convoluted for me to analyze for the couple of gems, anyone else?

"It’s well known that narcotic prescription drugs sold in the United States must first be approved by U.S. Food and Drug Administration before they can be legally mass produced and marketed. Less known is the fact that the DEA – and specifically, the Office of Diversion Control – then has the power and responsibility to decide how much of a particular drug can be legally manufactured and sent to market each year." Diversion control means the control of what is being diverted from legal use, usually by limiting supply.

One DEA officer when asked about the oversupply replied : "“I can assure you that there’s no collusion between the drug companies and the DEA,”

There's politics in drug addiction, it seems.

Any relevant and informed posts, or personal experience are welcome.

[Carter]

@smithieh - Well all this makes perfect sense to me, every Govt. Agency needs to be in charge of something or have a major intitaive(s) going on. or they risk downsizing, funding cuts, being merged into another ageny...

Look at the ATF - They are incharge of supplying the latest and greatest assult rifles to the Mexian Drug Cartels.

[smithieh]

@Carter What should it be called? The politics of Irony? The FBI devise terrorist plans, recruit the needed terrorists and train them to carry out the plan, and once the 'terror' plot is about to be realized the great FBI swoop in and arrest the terrorists.

The trouble with this kind of think is it is becoming so commonplace in the 'ordinary' psyche literally anything can happen. Absurd is the new normal.

[jtb2]

The DEA is in charge of monitoring the distribution/prescription of oxy and all schedule 1 and 2 drugs. They do not produce it. I have a friend who is a dentist and a few years ago he got a letter from the DEA telling him not to prescribe any more narcotics to one of his patients. They had her name and a list of all the other doctors she was getting meds from. They are especially tight with opiates.

[JulieF]

I wonder if Obama-Care will have an impact on the way people with pre-existing conditions are insured and the doctors they're able to use will have an impact on the way doctors are able to treat and prescribe. Doctors already have a set of rules from Medicare.

[smithieh]

The DEA is in charge of monitoring the distribution/prescription of oxy and all schedule 1 and 2 drugs. They do not produce it. I have a friend who is a dentist and a few years ago he got a letter from the DEA telling him not to prescribe any more narcotics to one of his patients. They had her name and a list of all the other doctors she was getting meds from. They are especially tight with opiates.

Read the article first please. The DEA are especially loose when it comes to Oxycodone : "In 1997, a year after prescription drugmaker Purdue Pharma first brought Oxycontin (the first branded version of Oxycodone) to market, the total production quota approved by the Office of Diversion Control was 8.3 tons. By 2011, it had risen to 105 tons, an officially sanctioned 1,200 percent increase over the same period that saw Oxycodone emerge as what Haislip calls “the Cadillac of America’s prescription drug abuse crisis.” That's RIVERS of OXY, particularly numbing to the social system.

The DEA are in charge of diversion control and can mandate an increase or decrease in supply as is fitting to the legitimate need. That's control of supply, or production, legitimate production.

The DEA are also at the mercy of funding committees that are targeted by big pharma lobbyists, who provide money to get senators (etc) reelected, and do what is politic to survival. Corruption 101 mate.

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I wonder if Obama-Care will have an impact on the way people with pre-existing conditions are insured and the doctors they're able to use will have an impact on the way doctors are able to treat and prescribe. Doctors already have a set of rules from Medicare.

If you have a look at the WH's 2011-national-drug-control-strategy you will find what you refer to.

[kmontayne]

Talk about corruption how about watching a documentary about corruption and the way the US began its route into debt.

Zeitgeist Addendum Video Completo Subtitulado Esp - YouTube

[akl63]

I wished they'd start giving the order to make more Oxy, like they do with money. At least then they could devalue it enough so we all could afford it.

Flood the market with Oxy, and make them $5 like they should be. . If there is a surplus sitting in a warehouse, Throw a couple million into a new Pill Mill. Script it to everyone who wants. If we are "smart" enough to devalue the dollar, we can do it with Oxy too.

[JulieF]

@smithieh Maybe my bifocal contacts aren't working. I read through the executive summary and didn't see it specifically mentioned. The full report is 118 pages and I didn't see a mention in the table of contacts. Which tab specifically should I go to?

[akl63]

Interesting article. I thought this pretty much said it all.
From a couple years ago when Purdue was sued over Oxycontin safety etc,

"The settlement was negotiated on Purdue Pharma’s behalf by Eric Holder Jr., then a private attorney, who five years later became the chief of the Justice Department, which oversees DEA."

Chief of the Justice Dept represented Purdue, seems like a huge conflict of interest.
Also it said about %25-%40 of the American Pain Association yearly operating budget, is donated to them by Purdue, Endo and Pfizer.

[smithieh]

@smithieh Maybe my bifocal contacts aren't working. I read through the executive summary and didn't see it specifically mentioned. The full report is 118 pages and I didn't see a mention in the table of contacts. Which tab specifically should I go to?

As you say, it's big, and I have no intention of becoming an expert on this document but if you follow some basic search terms this is one place you get to : prescription-drugs/rx_abuse_plan_0.pdf Page 8, half way down goes into some of the stuff.

Here's another doc with relevant info : action_items_response_to_the_prescription_drug_epi demic.pdf

Get back when you've dug around a bit and let us know what you find.

[magchik]

@Carter
Oh you are sooooo correct re the "Machine guns to Mexico" deal. I don't remember which agency did this, but less than 5 years ago either the DEA, FBI , ATF, etc., coldly sacrificed some of their own because they wanted to track weapon movement from one state to South of the Border. The respective grand marshals, ignored pleas from their own agents that this was (another?) idiotic and self serving scheme to protect their jobs and more importantly, to keep the $$$ flowing from the Boobs inside the Beltway. My sweet husband (severely wounded in another blow job, aka Vietnam), listened to my fury over this and then calmly stated:

"Der Krieg ist eine bloße Fortsetzung der Politik mit anderen Mitteln"
- Clausewitz

My so very SO, is an American-German (reads, speaks and writes fluently), translated loosely for me:

"War is politics by other means"

Reading through these messages, there is NO doubt that everyone here suspects the same thing and as @smithieh succinctly stated

"There's politics in drug addiction, it seems."

So the definition of war seems to be getting "foggier" and foggier.

magchik

[akl63]

Also this was interesting.
Frances Hughes said,
"people working in the Office of Diversion control know that they might get lucrative work with drug companies upon retirement constitutes a conflict of interest that prevents DEA officials from doing their duty."

“Are you really going to strike out and be on the front lines against an industry that you might depend on for a job after you retire from the DEA?” she asked. “No. Are you going to offer an opinion or do something that’s going to cut off your flow of money? No.”

No one wants to be the person that denied a request for a quota increase. I can just picture, one person being singled out by the entire staff. I think most of the people that work there are just "Yes men" anyways. Just the way everyone wants it to be.

[smithieh]

Talk about corruption how about watching a documentary about corruption and the way the US began its route into debt.

Zeitgeist Addendum Video Completo Subtitulado Esp - YouTube

Ha! JK himself. What a wonderfully articulate teacher for the west in his time, and only a few heard him. I will have to listen to the whole two hours later.

[RetiredRacer]

@smithieh - Well all this makes perfect sense to me, every Govt. Agency needs to be in charge of something or have a major intitaive(s) going on. or they risk downsizing, funding cuts, being merged into another ageny...

Look at the ATF - They are incharge of supplying the latest and greatest assult rifles to the Mexian Drug Cartels.

Nothing like seeing my thousand dollar GemTech suppressor, proudly made in America, on the end of a seized cartel weapon... Not. Good.

[smithieh]

@Carter
Oh you are sooooo correct re the "Machine guns to Mexico" deal. I don't remember which agency did this, but less than 5 years ago either the DEA, FBI , ATF, etc., coldly sacrificed some of their own because they wanted to track weapon movement from one state to South of the Border. The respective grand marshals, ignored pleas from their own agents that this was (another?) idiotic and self serving scheme to protect their jobs and more importantly, to keep the $$$ flowing from the Boobs inside the Beltway. My sweet husband (severely wounded in another blow job, aka Vietnam), listened to my fury over this and then calmly stated:

"Der Krieg ist eine bloße Fortsetzung der Politik mit anderen Mitteln"
- Clausewitz

My so very SO, is an American-German (reads, speaks and writes fluently), translated loosely for me:

"War is politics by other means"

Reading through these messages, there is NO doubt that everyone here suspects the same thing and as @smithieh succinctly stated

"There's politics in drug addiction, it seems."

So the definition of war seems to be getting "foggier" and foggier.

magchik

Sure, foggier and foggier. Except when you stop looking at what or who 'they' (the Gov) say is the enemy and start looking at who are the casualties. There is only the rulers and the ruled, every other class is a fiction of the rulers to confuse the ruled. Don't be confused.

Know thy enemy, and the enemy, in the end, is the self. Know your self and ergo, you know the enemy.

[magchik]

@smithieh
You are spot on. It's just another episode of Bread and Circuses - a
(not so funny) "sitcom" that's been around longer than The Simpsons.

magchik

[Jeremy Fisher]

@smithieh - Well all this makes perfect sense to me, every Govt. Agency needs to be in charge of something or have a major intitaive(s) going on. or they risk downsizing, funding cuts, being merged into another ageny...

That is so true. I used to work as an consultant to federal agencies and at the end of the fiscal year, they would scramble to spend all their $ so their budget would not be cut for the following year. Was a good time of the year for us to submit last minute proposals.

Reading the title of this thread made me smile. It's just so ironic.