Clenbuterol for weight loss?

[merrymiau]

I remember a few years back there being a bunch of media talk surrounding the "clen craze" that was supposedly helping Hollywood starlets shed pounds faster than a racehorse (which, incidentally, is what the steroid used to be primarily indicated for -- equestrian asthma). Clenbuterol was hyped as a miracle cure for quick weight loss because it burned fat while increasing muscle mass with little to no effort required on the part of the user. I remember it being particularly popular with female celebs because it didn't produce the troublesome masculinizing effects typical of traditional steroids.

Well, for someone who'd like to lose ten pounds or so, clenbuterol does sound like a miracle cure. But there must be some reason it fell out of favor. (At least, I assume it's not widely abused because it's not a controlled substance, and because the tabloids have since moved on to Adderall and anorexia as celebrities' first-line defense against the dreaded size 4.)

So what's the deal? Is it ineffective for weight loss purposes? Is it any more dangerous than therapeutic doses of ADD stimulants or other meds that tend to have cardiovascular risks? Are the side effects more unpleasant than any other weight loss pill?

I'm interested in trying it out, but there must be some catch here! Since I know about a million girls taking weight loss supplements or popping pills like candy in the hope that they can squeeze back into their skinny jeans in a month, and none of them are taking clenbuterol.

And since my go-to sources for info of this nature tend to be Wikipedia or Ero--- are both sadly sparse in content, I was hoping this forum might be able to offer a few words of wisdom. I'd especially appreciate hearing anyone who's had personal experience taking Clenbuterol for weight loss purposes.

Thanks for any advice you can offer!

[spam & eggs]

15 years ago i did 3 weeks of clenbuterol to loose some weight.
Without a proper diet nothing helps you to loose weight, clenbuterol raises your body temperature so you burn more calories.
I also find it has some nasty side effects, it made me sweaty, restless, got a headache all day long, insomnia, shaky hands........
As a matter of fact i quit it after 3 weeks because i couldn`t stand it anymore, never did it again.
Now i eat proper and exercise for over 3 years and my anxiety attacks only appear 5-6 times a year instead of 5-6 times a month.
All i wanna say is, eating the right stuff made my life 100% better.....

[merrymiau]

Yikes, that doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement, @spam & eggs. Sorry to hear about your bad experience.

I do agree that eating right is necessary for health and weight loss -- but I would like to find something to supplement my diet/exercise regimen.

I guess I'm just wondering if the side effect profile is any worse than what one would have to endure while taking phentermine, for example?

[McBain]

I tried clen roughly five years ago and didn't notice anything beyond what i get using ECA stack. Ephridine, caf and asprine. The ephridine uses the same principal.

I've been working out for over 20 years and nothing is as effective as low carb, Adkins diet. Although it's not for everyone, it's hard for your body to adopt but once you do you'll see an overnight difference when you eat heavy carbs, pasta, bread ect.

I run usually at about 8% BF at 205lbs. I only eat about 30g of carbs a day. When i was trying to loose fat i didn't eat any carbs and lost fat fast. I 've also used ephridne for years off and on.

You can buy it over the counter in most states as bronkaid at your pharmacy.

Hope this helps.

Peace

McBain

[merrymiau]

Thanks for the input, @McBain. Your BF percentage is impressive!

I tried the Atkins too and absolutely couldn't stick with it -- I'm sure it would have been effective if I had gotten past week 1. It wreaked havoc on my digestive system, though.
I don't eat too many carbs since I can't eat gluten, but my willpower isn't strong enough to kick all the carbs to the curb.

I'm curious what the function of the aspirin in your "stack" was?

I know ephedrine would be effective as an appetite suppressant/stimulant, but I guess I was attracted to the purported muscle-building properties of clenbuterol. Disappointed to hear you experienced lackluster results while on it, but I'll take any anecdotal evidence I can get.

[McBain]

Thanks for the input, @McBain. Your BF percentage is impressive!

I tried the Atkins too and absolutely couldn't stick with it -- I'm sure it would have been effective if I had gotten past week 1. It wreaked havoc on my digestive system, though.
I don't eat too many carbs since I can't eat gluten, but my willpower isn't strong enough to kick all the carbs to the curb.

I'm curious what the function of the aspirin in your "stack" was?

I know ephedrine would be effective as an appetite suppressant/stimulant, but I guess I was attracted to the purported muscle-building properties of clenbuterol. Disappointed to hear you experienced lackluster results while on it, but I'll take any anecdotal evidence I can get.

As i mentioned the first few weeks of carb free is hard on your body but once you get use to it, you'll prefer that eating habit. When i first did it, i felt dizzy, tired, terrible but i lost lots of fat. Keep in mind i've always watched what i ate but ate carbs. Night and day difference of the fat that can be lost doing it.

You can buy test strips at the drug store to test your urine to see if you're burning stored body fat for energy.

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i actually wasn't done but hit enter...Anyway i believe the Clen does have an anti catabolic effect so you won't break down muscle as your body looks for fuel as you're dieting. I'm not sure but i think that's the case.

I believe the asprin thins the blood to make it more effective. I'm not positive on that.

I usually only use the Bronkaid / Ephridine and a cup of coffee i usually don't run the asprine.

I know BB's will run T3 with clen as a weight loss stack. I'm not suggesting but just saying. Research it....

You should give the Adkins another go. It takes 48 hours of depleting your body of carbs before you'll start to burn fat as energy. So it's very importanat not to eat carbs three days into it. Stay strict and it will fall off. Combine it with an exercise program and you won't need the clen.

I can see a difference in my face from beginging of the week and at the end. I usually will eat whole wheat egg noodles or oatmeal or something like that over the weekend and i can see the fullness difference not only in my body but face.

Peace

McBain

[GoldenEagle]

Interesting thread
I've been doing some research on steroids (mostly anabolics) and came across Clenbuterol. From what others have said about it was that Clen worked good for them while "cutting" fat in between cycles. But the continued use of Clenbuterol sometimes gave users a tolerance (if you can call it that?) and that it could be ineffective for long term usage. I've been doing a lot of reading on those bodybuilding sites, and for the most part people were in favor of Clen with their workouts - but you have to first begin to eat properly.

Just stay away from anabolic steroids that are high in androgens if you're female and don't know how to use them.

[QVC1212]

I asked for a good fat burner and here is what a amateur masters competitor level bodybuilder told me (I really hope he doesn't mind me posting this, but this is just too good to keep to myself--if you see this, please forgive me!!!!)


Clen is easy to use, and first time users *really* see a dramatic drop in bodyfat. There is some research to show that it loses its effectiveness after 2 weeks, but if you add Ketotifen to it at 4mg per night, you can essentially run it for as long as you want to. I will say you should taper the Clen upwards to find your tolerance level, because if you take too much at one time, you'll be miserable...hands shaking, headache, nasty. Start with 20mcg on day 1 (that's the "1" marker on the oral syringe they'll send with it -- 200mcg/ml divided by 1/10ml = 20mcg), then use 40mcg on day 2 (the "2" marker on the oral syringe), and so on until you get to "5" on the oral syringe. Some guys take it all the way up to seven, but anything over five gives me the shakes BAD.

I used to do the above, plus T3 before a contest to drop fat fast. Now I just do it a couple of times a year to stay lean (along with cardio for about 20 minutes 4x per week -- that seems to be my "sweet spot" for keeping fat off without burning muscle). The T3 you would take at about a "1.5" on the oral syringe, at the same time you are taking the Clen (which you usually take your entire daily dosage of first thing in the morning), then again around 3-4PM at the same dosage ("1.5" on the oral syringe).

I will caution, though, that T-3 does not discriminate regarding what tissue it burns...fat or muscle. So most people who don't also supplement with testosterone (i.e., us juiceheads) stick with Clen and Keto, and don't bother with T3.


I deleted the website from which it is sold. Honestly, it's for two reasons:

1) I'm not sure if it's appropriate for me to be sharing a couple of paragraphs of excellent advice from an expert from what was a private email message
2) I'm not sure if he would want me to divulge the source. For those who are desperate to find out the source, PM me, and I will email my friend and ask him "is it alright to share the source with them"? And then depending on his answer I will share. But I definitely don't want to post it to the general forum for a million people to see, because it's domestic. Plus, people guard their sources, no? I've never ordered clen but I plan to when I start working again.

[GoldenEagle]

Yeah, I understand people want to protect their sources because posting publicly could ruin it - but it would be kind of you to PM the OP with the web addy, QVC.

[kingpin]

@QVC1212 Love that guy, wealth of knowledge and willing to share it.

[merrymiau]

Thanks for the wealth of helpful advice, everyone. (And keep it coming if anyone else has input to share!) PM now officially sent to the appropriate poster about tracking down a reputable source.

@GoldenEagle, I've read about the tolerance issue too. Depending on how effectively clen works with my body chemistry, I plan to only do one or two cycles -- so hopefully tolerance won't be a big concern.

It seems like the only truly effective way to take it is by injection, and oral administration is pretty much a waste of the drug. Can someone else confirm that? (Or get my hopes up by disconfirming it, rather.) Hopefully the adrenaline will kick in before I faint from the sight of pricking a needle into my body.

[Wheels46]

LOL, @QVC1212, that's about as good a "I don't wanna say who told me this but..." post as I've ever seen. Look at my signature! :-)

@merrymiau -- I answered your PM, with enough detail, hope, and a link to a far better article on the use of Clen for females than I could write.

NO INJECTIONS ARE NECESSARY, IT IS AN ORAL SYRINGE I TOLD QVC AND YOURSELF ABOUT.

QVC, no worries. This is the kind of info that SHOULD be made available to everyone, but ever since that damned old curmudgeon (and he'd laugh like hell if he heard me describe him that way) Dan Duchaine turned his toes up to the daisies, no one's really doing it.

The "source" is 100% legal, and I've been using them for years: They are at Welcome to CEMproducts.com!, and they sell Clenbuterol, Ketotifen, Cynomel (T3) and a whole host of peptides (which,by the way, I'm pretty excited about -- I'm a big fan of the "me as lab rat" theory that Dan used, and if @drboris would be so kind as to create a Peptides forum, I'll let you all know about my experiments with them). Peptides too, are 100% legal, although Clen and T3 are controlled. These guys have found a beautiful loophole around that, though.

For you guys out there, a very good friend of mine who used to live down the street wrote an article that was jeered for a year, then proved 100% correct, and is still in the arsenal of every bodybuilder I know. Hell, we still argue about whether Raver or Bill Roberts is right about this at the gym when everyone is dieting. I gotta admit, Raver's protocol is extreme...he's an extreme sort of fellow, but I have used it at least 7-8 times over the past 9 years, and dropped 15-20 pounds every time.

And you should see Raver. Jesus please us, he must eat an entire chicken every day for lunch and dinner, and he's never fat. I don't believe he ever competed, but when you watch the guy do pull-ups with a couple of 45lb plates strapped to his waist, it's like an anatomy chart on his upper back...and he's *my* age.

First look here: Kudos to Raver's T-3 Recommendations - RippedMass for the validation, then here: T3 -- To Taper or Not to Taper? - World Class Bodybuilding Forum for the article.

And that concludes my Clen / T3 input for the evening :-)

-W

I asked for a good fat burner and here is what a amateur masters competitor level bodybuilder told me (I really hope he doesn't mind me posting this, but this is just too good to keep to myself--if you see this, please forgive me!!!!)


Clen is easy to use, and first time users *really* see a dramatic drop in bodyfat. There is some research to show that it loses its effectiveness after 2 weeks, but if you add Ketotifen to it at 4mg per night, you can essentially run it for as long as you want to. I will say you should taper the Clen upwards to find your tolerance level, because if you take too much at one time, you'll be miserable...hands shaking, headache, nasty. Start with 20mcg on day 1 (that's the "1" marker on the oral syringe they'll send with it -- 200mcg/ml divided by 1/10ml = 20mcg), then use 40mcg on day 2 (the "2" marker on the oral syringe), and so on until you get to "5" on the oral syringe. Some guys take it all the way up to seven, but anything over five gives me the shakes BAD.

I used to do the above, plus T3 before a contest to drop fat fast. Now I just do it a couple of times a year to stay lean (along with cardio for about 20 minutes 4x per week -- that seems to be my "sweet spot" for keeping fat off without burning muscle). The T3 you would take at about a "1.5" on the oral syringe, at the same time you are taking the Clen (which you usually take your entire daily dosage of first thing in the morning), then again around 3-4PM at the same dosage ("1.5" on the oral syringe).

I will caution, though, that T-3 does not discriminate regarding what tissue it burns...fat or muscle. So most people who don't also supplement with testosterone (i.e., us juiceheads) stick with Clen and Keto, and don't bother with T3.


I deleted the website from which it is sold. Honestly, it's for two reasons:

1) I'm not sure if it's appropriate for me to be sharing a couple of paragraphs of excellent advice from an expert from what was a private email message
2) I'm not sure if he would want me to divulge the source. For those who are desperate to find out the source, PM me, and I will email my friend and ask him "is it alright to share the source with them"? And then depending on his answer I will share. But I definitely don't want to post it to the general forum for a million people to see, because it's domestic. Plus, people guard their sources, no? I've never ordered clen but I plan to when I start working again.

[Headtail]

Hi
I thought Clen is a BrocoDilater for asthmatic patients who suffering from Broco Spasm Why is it use for Weightloss ?Any 1 can help ?

[Wheels46]

Well, I always liked Dan's way of describing it better (he went to jail for selling steroids and everyone looked like Jackie Gleason, and when he got out, everyone looked like a Calvin Klein model). I'm sure in the rarified circles Dan traveled in (i.e., when you wanted to go from "Rocky" Stallone to "Rocky II" Stallone, Dan was the guy to call in those days...he would bring you a shoebox of pills, capsules, injectable (depot) oils, and a handwritten diet and training program, pick up his $25K check, and be on his merry way back to his beloved Venice Beach.

However, until I can find my PDFs of Dan's "Dirty Dieting" newsletter, this will have to do: The Straight Dope on Clenbuterol and Weight Loss »*iFitandHealthy.com

[On update: Dan's wiki page: Dan Duchaine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, Clenbuterol wiki page: Clenbuterol

[You can find tons of PDFs of the Dirty dieting newsletters in a google search, they aren't that much ($6 or so), but they are WELL worth it. Make sure to get a copy that has all 10 newsletters -- some of his research builds on past articles. And finally, I shall send @drboris a copy of Dan's Body Opus in PDF to post on a thread of it own in this forum, because Dan loved for smart people to read his stuff, especially when they disagreed with him. God, watching him eviscerate Ph.d's and MDs on live TV was pure gold...I miss the mean old sonofabitch.

Regards,

W

Hi
I thought Clen is a BrocoDilater for asthmatic patients who suffering from Broco Spasm Why is it use for Weightloss ?Any 1 can help ?

[supernaturalfan]

LOL, @QVC1212, that's about as good a "I don't wanna say who told me this but..." post as I've ever seen. Look at my signature! :-)

@merrymiau -- I answered your PM, with enough detail, hope, and a link to a far better article on the use of Clen for females than I could write.

NO INJECTIONS ARE NECESSARY, IT IS AN ORAL SYRINGE I TOLD QVC AND YOURSELF ABOUT.

QVC, no worries. This is the kind of info that SHOULD be made available to everyone, but ever since that damned old curmudgeon (and he'd laugh like hell if he heard me describe him that way) Dan Duchaine turned his toes up to the daisies, no one's really doing it.

The "source" is 100% legal, and I've been using them for years: They are at , and they sell Clenbuterol, Ketotifen, Cynomel (T3) and a whole host of peptides (which,by the way, I'm pretty excited about -- I'm a big fan of the "me as lab rat" theory that Dan used, and if @drboris would be so kind as to create a Peptides forum, I'll let you all know about my experiments with them). Peptides too, are 100% legal, although Clen and T3 are controlled. These guys have found a beautiful loophole around that, though.

For you guys out there, a very good friend of mine who used to live down the street wrote an article that was jeered for a year, then proved 100% correct, and is still in the arsenal of every bodybuilder I know. Hell, we still argue about whether Raver or Bill Roberts is right about this at the gym when everyone is dieting. I gotta admit, Raver's protocol is extreme...he's an extreme sort of fellow, but I have used it at least 7-8 times over the past 9 years, and dropped 15-20 pounds every time.

And you should see Raver. Jesus please us, he must eat an entire chicken every day for lunch and dinner, and he's never fat. I don't believe he ever competed, but when you watch the guy do pull-ups with a couple of 45lb plates strapped to his waist, it's like an anatomy chart on his upper back...and he's *my* age.

First look here: for the validation, then here: for the article.

And that concludes my Clen / T3 input for the evening :-)

-W

Great post @Wheels46, I've been looking for one recommended site that sells clen/t3 to supplement my training programme. Sadly the web address or retailer details is not showing Could you please pm me the address or details?

Thanks :-)
SNF

[deadgecko]

I'm a normal girl 5'6, weighed about 120 forever and then managed to gain 20lbs in 6 months while living abroad and started dieting and exercising to shift the weight so I could fit into my clothing again (I missed them!). I did a 2 week Clen/T3 cycle with a healthy, but not super calorie restricted diet and light exercise and lost about 8lbs.

Two months later I've just started another cycle to shift the rest, but this time I've been doing the Atkins thing for two weeks and working out hard for an 1-1.5hours a day (cardio) and I've lost nearly 9lbs in a week. I have a scale that calculates my water % too, so I worked out that about 3.5-4lbs of that is water, but still, at 135lbs, losing 5lbs of fat in a week is brilliant.

In summary, I don't think T3/Clen are that helpful without being on diet AND working out. If you can really focus and give it your all for two weeks, I think 8-10lbs (possibly more depending on how big you are when you start) is likely.

If you do decide to do it, be careful about dosing. Both need to be tapered up and you need to work out how your body reacts to each. For me Clen is a bit like to much caffeine when I have too much - jitters and shakes. Get to a dose where you don't feel like shit and stop there :-)

Also only 2 weeks for Clen at a time and take it with Taurine and Potassium supplements to prevent leg cramps, drink lots of water (and take Benadryl for a few days afterwards. You can take T3 for up to six weeks, but I wouldn't. You want to kick start your metabolism, not permanently damage it! Start low and slowly increase. As a girl, you shouldn't exceed 60mcg per day at the peak, then taper back down slowly.

Hope that helps.

Oh almost forgot, please don't inject Clen. Never heard of anyone doing it and it sounds really dangerous. It's usually tablets or liquid. Tablets are usually 20mcg.

[Art Vandelay]

I've always been an athlete and kept myself in great shape so I've tried a number of supplements like the ECA stack, Phentermine, Bonitril pdh, Green Tea, Sublingual and Clenbuterol.

I received good quality clenbuterol from United a few months ago. I took it for a few weeks but the side effects are highly unpleasant. It works by heating up your body temp but it made me feel agitated and anxious. I would be careful using it. Maybe it's just my chemistry but I would never recommend Clem.

Phentermine and ECA stack is way better and doesn't make me feel awful.

[slick76]

Yeah, I've used Clen alone and in combination with T-3. I liked it alone, it hardens the muscles if you're into BB. Just make sure to take extra Taurine and drink Powerade or you get bad cramps.

[yb62338]

I've never personally taken clenbuterol, but from what I understand, it's a very effective weight loss supplement, especially when used in conjunction with T-3. I'd be careful with the T-3 though; it is a thyroid hormone that affects nearly every process in the body including heart rate and body temperature. Taking artificial t-3 can be dangerous especially if your body shuts down its natural production in adaptation to the new source--this is, as well all know, what happens with steroids.

I would also be careful with Clen. I have heard of people in their 20's suffering heart attacks because of continued use of this chemical. Anything that increases your heart rate is dangerous, especially if you are combining it with cardio.

[merrymiau]

@deadgecko

That was exactly the kind of information I was hoping for with this thread. Thank you so much! I really don't want to mess with the T3 stuff, though -- I just feel uncomfortable with the idea of jerking around my hormones like that, especially as a first-timer who doesn't really know what she's doing. Do you think the clen will be effective without cycling it with T3?

I'm not in awful shape, but I definitely need to step up my exercise regimen before I start on the clen. I'm already anxiety-prone, but hopefully I can withstand anything for two weeks. @Wheels46 pointed me to a source for a dosing schedule for women, so I'll be pretty diligent about following that and hopefully won't suffer too much. I didn't know about taking the taurine supplements, though -- so thanks for that piece of advice, @deadgecko and @slick76.

@Art Vandelay -- Phentermine sounds just as shitty in terms of side effects to me, and less effective than clen if you're lazy like me and just want to get the job done as quickly as possible. Nasty side effects aside, did you feel like the phentermine produced results as quickly as a cycle of clen?

@yb62338 -- I do appreciate your words of caution. I don't plan on making a habit of using clen, I'm fairly young, and I don't smoke or subject my heart to too many other vices -- so I'm optimistic that my heart will keep on keepin' on for at least two weeks.