Suddenly kicked out by dr office

[radioactive_man]

I'm sorry that you were kicked out of your doctor's office, that really sucks. I lived in TN three years ago and was never piss tested by my doctor. Now I don't have health insurance, therefor I don't go to the doctor.

It really upsets me to see the DEA get in the way of doctors prescribing patients the medicine that they need. Good luck to you.

[Rocksteady17]

Poesque,

I'm sorry about what you're going through in TN.
If a primary care doctor asked a new patient (where I live) for a drug test in addition to a new patient information sheet, they'd walk out the door and never come back. It would be an insult that the doctor doesn't trust you. Doctors here aren't dumb about Rx's and you have to establish yourself with them and give them medical records and in general, let them figure out what your medical condition is. If a patient is really in need of big pain meds they give you names of doctors in specialty fields. Otherwise, they will give you hydros but not get into percocet or oxy unless you're there for something like kidney stones or pain from an injury, etc.
I'm sure the drug clinic patients here test but have no first hand info on that.
This link might have something in it about your state laws. Drug and Alcohol Testing in Tennessee.

Drug and Alcohol Testing in Tennessee | U.S. Chamber of Commerce Small Business Nation
Hope you get some help soon. There's got to be a doctor that can help you in your area. Check the web for them because some advertise and you can tell by there intro page what they're all about. If you live in an area with a lot of drug problems, look in places out of your town. Best of Luck. You never know if you don't try.

[stmeantime]

I think they should just legalize narcotics and especially legalize pot. I live in WA state and it is easy to get a script for medical marijuana. It is hard to find a good doctor to prescribe narcotics and they are making it harder all the time. Now there is a new law in WA that you cannot be prescribed more than the equivalent of, I forget what the amount is but it is very low. So lots of pain patients are having to detox down on their pain meds here. It just went through this year (2012) and it may start happening in other states too. Then people will turn to heroin and the black market will indeed profit. It is a well p lanned scam by the p owers that be to make profits through illegal drugs. The drug war. In the early part of the 20th century all drugs were legal and they did not have all the problems with drugs and the law that we see today. Well this could be a thread on it's own, I did not mean to get off topic. But it's a sin to make people take urine tests and soon everyone in this country will be taking them. It is humiliating and an offense to one's privacy. I am sure it is unconstitutional and I wonder at what point will people stand up to this and say no more. I am not lowering my standards for anything. Urine samples. It was unheard of not too long ago. See how fast we are being corrupted by the government.

[alumni]

Then people will turn to heroin and the black market will indeed profit. It is a well p lanned scam by the p owers that be to make profits through illegal drugs.

I have seen other people contribute a similar opinion about this scheme being executed by the "powers that be" to clamp down on prescription opioids from doctors so that heroin and black market dope will proliferate and the same "powers that be" will thus profit through the illegal sale of these drugs.
But I still don't understand how this conspiracy is supposed to work. Who are the "powers that be"? The DEA? The Obama administration? How are they going to make profits from heroin sales?
Or are they the drug cartels? How are they responsible for tightening the restrictions on doctors' prescriptions?
Would @stmeantime help me out here on this scam you are describing?

[stmeantime]

@alumni, It would take a lot of referencing to books, articles, movies and other informational sources to completely understand how the war on drugs (prohibition) works in the favor of the government. And not everyone believes what I do. I guess you could say it is my educated opinion that our government in U.S. is complicit in the sale of drugs, ie:heroin, cocaine, marijuana, etc. One good book that I read a long time ago is "The Heroin Solution" by a journalist that was in Vietnam in the 60's. He writes about how poor growers of opium (Hammas) would tell him about selling to high-up officials and when he would go back to get more info they would say they didn't know anything and retract their statements. It is a long book, the guy talks about first hand experiences there. As you know Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos have long been the center of opium growing and were 'occupied' by France. In the 50's U.S. went in. I believe it was to organize the opium and export it. With a big war going on no one notices that drugs are being shipped out of the area. Same with Afghanistan now. It is all about the sales of heroin. Billions of dollars in profit. When U.S first went into Afghanistan the Taliban had almost extinguished the poppy fields. Within one year of US occupation, opium sales were up 700%. And they continue to grow each year. Can you think of any other reason for us to be in Afghanistan and we were not in Vietnam because of communism. There was communism in lots of places like China, Russia, etc.
Why would we go into this tiny country with resources only in rice and opium? I research on the web now and there are always articles in relation to this somehow. Like Karzai's brother was a heroin dealer. It is a known fact. He is dead now. Before the 70's heroin was unheard of in suburbs of NY and other big cities. But during and after the war cities and subhurbs were filled with heroin. Same going on now and that is why I believe the government is cracking down so much on doctors. Think.In the late 90's, it was determined that doctors were to prescribe pain meds to patients and not hold back. We go into Afghanistan, now that the US is saturated in heroin, the government cracks down on doctors and tells them they can only prescribe so much and patients have to either cut down or stop. A perfect set up. You have all these people who are dependent on narcotics and are cut off.
The reason for prohibition you know, is to keep the price at the premium. A bag of heroin is worth about 50 cents but with prohibition the price goes up to $40.00 or whatever. The CIA is corrupt. These guys are so bad that even with 50,000 dead now in Mexico in the past few years, our DEA Michelle Leohart is still wants to push it and she is happy with the results.
One more point is that we all know that marijuana is not harmful and should be legal. So why is the government so intent on keeping it illegal. The answer is: Without pot there would be no numbers. There are not enough people abusing heroin and cocaine to justify a War on Drugs. A lot of groups are lobbying to keep pot illegal because if it is legalized they will lose their jobs, prison industry, drug rehabs, police, and more. It is so obvious yet so hidden. But I think more and more people are waking up. I am not saying everyone in the government is corrupt, but there are enough and I guess they just say, "Well if not me it would be someone else. Because how do they sleep at night with all the damage they cause. OK I'm off it. I hope this gets approved. I guess it might be off topic. Maybe start a new thread on Prohibition and we can talk more there.

[crwhitlock]

Anyone who doesn't think the U.S. government is in the opiate business just need to google or youtube the phrase "American Soldiers Protecting Poppy Fields". There is a special unit of marines that live in the poppy fields of Afghanistan and have been there since the first week we invaded the country. Prior to U.S. occupation Afghanistan produced about 10% of the worlds opium/heroin. Since the American soldiers arrived, Afghanistan now produces about 93% of the worlds opium/heroin. That equals out to about $600 billion dollars a year. The soldiers provide the farmers with the poppy seeds, instruction, and protection. If your still not convinced, google CIA plane crashes with 4 tons of pure cocaine..

[notredame]

@alumni, It would take a lot of referencing to books, articles, movies and other informational sources to completely understand how the war on drugs (prohibition) works in the favor of the government. And not everyone believes what I do. I guess you could say it is my educated opinion that our government in U.S. is complicit in the sale of drugs, ie:heroin, cocaine, marijuana, etc. One good book that I read a long time ago is "The Heroin Solution" by a journalist that was in Vietnam in the 60's. He writes about how poor growers of opium (Hammas) would tell him about selling to high-up officials and when he would go back to get more info they would say they didn't know anything and retract their statements. It is a long book, the guy talks about first hand experiences there. As you know Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos have long been the center of opium growing and were 'occupied' by France. In the 50's U.S. went in. I believe it was to organize the opium and export it. With a big war going on no one notices that drugs are being shipped out of the area. Same with Afghanistan now. It is all about the sales of heroin. Billions of dollars in profit. When U.S first went into Afghanistan the Taliban had almost extinguished the poppy fields. Within one year of US occupation, opium sales were up 700%. And they continue to grow each year. Can you think of any other reason for us to be in Afghanistan and we were not in Vietnam because of communism. There was communism in lots of places like China, Russia, etc.
Why would we go into this tiny country with resources only in rice and opium? I research on the web now and there are always articles in relation to this somehow. Like Karzai's brother was a heroin dealer. It is a known fact. He is dead now. Before the 70's heroin was unheard of in suburbs of NY and other big cities. But during and after the war cities and subhurbs were filled with heroin. Same going on now and that is why I believe the government is cracking down so much on doctors. Think.In the late 90's, it was determined that doctors were to prescribe pain meds to patients and not hold back. We go into Afghanistan, now that the US is saturated in heroin, the government cracks down on doctors and tells them they can only prescribe so much and patients have to either cut down or stop. A perfect set up. You have all these people who are dependent on narcotics and are cut off.
The reason for prohibition you know, is to keep the price at the premium. A bag of heroin is worth about 50 cents but with prohibition the price goes up to $40.00 or whatever. The CIA is corrupt. These guys are so bad that even with 50,000 dead now in Mexico in the past few years, our DEA Michelle Leohart is still wants to push it and she is happy with the results.
One more point is that we all know that marijuana is not harmful and should be legal. So why is the government so intent on keeping it illegal. The answer is: Without pot there would be no numbers. There are not enough people abusing heroin and cocaine to justify a War on Drugs. A lot of groups are lobbying to keep pot illegal because if it is legalized they will lose their jobs, prison industry, drug rehabs, police, and more. It is so obvious yet so hidden. But I think more and more people are waking up. I am not saying everyone in the government is corrupt, but there are enough and I guess they just say, "Well if not me it would be someone else. Because how do they sleep at night with all the damage they cause. OK I'm off it. I hope this gets approved. I guess it might be off topic. Maybe start a new thread on Prohibition and we can talk more there.

Actually, I don't think you need even look at how the so called war on drugs drives the price of illegal drugs up, if you want to see how the American industries (and the medical industry is one of America's largest industries) benefit off of prohibition. It's a simple thing, really: picture your average fibromyalgia sufferer (such as myself); you're in debilitating pain, you have no recourse other than your doctor's not so tender mercies, and you keep going back to your doctor in the hopes that s/he will eventually realize that your pain is truly debilitating (not that s/he comes to that conclusion even when s/he sees you need help walking from the car to the office) and help you with the pain. But, for lack of anything better to do, you keep going back--and every visit is another 400 in doctor's fees alone; then the doctor really cashes in--she sees, via your symptoms and a few blood tests and the 11-point pressure test, that you probably have what the medical profession, in its great wisdom, has decided to call fibromyalgia. But in order to cash in, your doctor decides to "try to rule out MS"--even though none of your symptoms are a good match for MS. This means invasive, often dangerous tests that cost thousands of dollars. And even then, the bilking of your illness doesn't stop there--because instead of actually giving you pain killer, your doctor then insists that you see a shrink and a physical therapist, neither of which will help you in the least. And because you're in so much pain, you're not in any shape to resist any of this--you're literally a living, hurting piece of meat that gets shared around by all the different medical "services" that exist because of hurting, helpless pieces of meat like yourself.

So, let's say the so called war on drugs suddenly ended--all the people whose lives have been taken away from them by debilitating pain would suddenly get the pain killer they need to have functional lives again. And that would mean they would stop slavishly returning to their doctors three times a week in the vain, helpless, distant hope that maybe this NEXT visit the doctor will really help them, or maybe this NEW doctor will be *different.* All of a sudden, all these victims of the medical industry would be able to get the pain meds they need to live normal, human productive lives--and that would make the medical industry essentially crash, because the only people it would have left to feed off of are the cancer victims and people that have fatal diseases and are in the process of dying. The medical industry would lose billions if not trillions of dollars if the non-terminal pain victims were able to get help from the nearest drug store.

So, you see, the U.S. government doesn't need to get money from illegal wars that involve drugs--all it has to do is enforce absurd drug laws that are on the books right now to keep the prison / law enforcement and medical industries going full force, grinding down victims who only needed some simple pain killer in order to live, and taking away the lives of the people who tried to provide that pain killer to these victims by throwing them in jail (and hence paying all those extra police officers needed for the great war on drugs to arrest them).

[alumni]

All interesting conspiracy theories but not very clear about exactly how (or why) the "government" is making all of these profits from the sale of illegal drugs.
As noted, this discussion has veered off-topic but I'd still be interested to know, for instance, how the US is somehow profiting from this $600 bb/year Afghanistan heroin production it is supposedly encouraging.

[stmeantime]

@alumni, There are forces in the US government like CIA, FBI and they oversee the growing of poppies which are then sold to heroin manufacturers in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The heroin is exprted to various places all over the world. Russia, China, Europe and the US. And the profits are split between the Powers that be. As far as everything else, the government is paid off, by influencing forces That cause government to pass certain legislations. Such as 1. continue prohibition. 2. Influence laws that make it hard for doctors to prescribe narcotics or make it easier for them. Legislation and laws are enacted which cause sertain things to happen. Like there are laws that doctors cannot treat cancer except by the prescribed practices such as chimotherapy. Even though they know it is destructive and mostly kills a person, a lot of money is made that way and other less harmful cures are prohibited. Money effects the laws that are made and laws effect how we as citizens are treated everyday. And it is not everyone that benefits from the billions, it is probably few that are at the top. A shadow type of government. Like before Obama gets into office he says he is going to change stuff. kBut after he is in there, we realize how little power he actually has. And as for why this is done, it is pure evil and done to make money.

[GoingBananas]

I am seeing more and more of this. I have lived most of my life as far from politics as I could get. But, then my grandmother dyed of cancer and they concerned about her morphine in her final hours as that might be too much for her system. She was minutes from death , how much then is too much?

Then 3 years ago I watched my mother die over 5 years of cancer. Did she get reasonable pain medication. Hell no. I watched her writhe in pain. Then took her to ER they would give pills for couple days.

Then, had to go back to Dr, all the time this woman is terminal. Now, she lives in a rural community where they have no pain clinics. They were giving her Darvocet right up until the few weeks when she was down 60 pound to 90 pounds. The pain was unreal, and yet, no increase in pain meds.

I saw what I saw. I went to those Drs.

I have tried for years to go to Drs and use the system.

Those days are over. The system is broke. I have no use for it anymore when it comes to pain.

I know there are many varying opinions. Very few hard-core studies have been done in pain management and I have seen all I need to see to know that I do not put my pain or my family's pain into their hands.

Thank God, I have found others who feel the same and some are Drs. They are out there but you need to be careful trying to find them. I know it all sounds like it is from a movie and yet we all sneak around the internet because we know it is not.

I am glad this board is here. it is another great tool.

keep in rocking in the free world my friends....

[notredame]

I am seeing more and more of this. I have lived most of my life as far from politics as I could get. But, then my grandmother dyed of cancer and they concerned about her morphine in her final hours as that might be too much for her system. She was minutes from death , how much then is too much?

Then 3 years ago I watched my mother die over 5 years of cancer. Did she get reasonable pain medication. Hell no. I watched her writhe in pain. Then took her to ER they would give pills for couple days.

Then, had to go back to Dr, all the time this woman is terminal. Now, she lives in a rural community where they have no pain clinics. They were giving her Darvocet right up until the few weeks when she was down 60 pound to 90 pounds. The pain was unreal, and yet, no increase in pain meds.

I saw what I saw. I went to those Drs.

I have tried for years to go to Drs and use the system.

Those days are over. The system is broke. I have no use for it anymore when it comes to pain.

I know there are many varying opinions. Very few hard-core studies have been done in pain management and I have seen all I need to see to know that I do not put my pain or my family's pain into their hands.

Thank God, I have found others who feel the same and some are Drs. They are out there but you need to be careful trying to find them. I know it all sounds like it is from a movie and yet we all sneak around the internet because we know it is not.

I am glad this board is here. it is another great tool.

keep in rocking in the free world my friends....

I am so, so sorry you've gone through what you have, but your presence on this board makes me feel so much less alone and so much better understood. Again, I feel horrible for being glad that someone is here who knows what I'm talking about, because in order to know you would have had to have suffered as much as you in fact have suffered; but I can't help feeling so grateful for your posts. Thank you for posting.

[GoingBananas]

Thank you nortedame, I am glad that I am able to add something tho the board.
I can honestly say this is one area of my life I feel strongly about.
I try not to let my feelings get me too negative or off track though because that does no good either and honestly if I can help somebody in any way it means a great deal.

Peace

[alumni]

Different strokes for different folks.
Personally, I do not subscribe to the theory that there is any nefarious criminal enterprise underway generating billions of dollars of profits because of the US government's conspiracy to encourage the production, sale and distribution of illegal drugs in the world.
But if believing these conspiracy theories somehow gives people comfort with understanding the causes of their personal medical situation, they should have at it.
Whatever.

[stmeantime]

GoingBananas, Sorry to hear about your mom and grandma's situation. My father died of cancer or I will say he died the day after they operated on him. He did have a lot of pain meds but because my mom is a nurse and made sure he had what he needed. It is tryly sad that in this rich country, we do not have access to the pain meds we need. You have to hunt literally to find a compassionate doctor or I guess there are those who will help only at great cost. Most of the pills in the online stores are too much for me to pay.

[brienzi]

Like the us government needs to provide the Afghans with poppy seeds??? Are u frickin kidding me, there grown naturally in the country and have been for years..
Conspiracy theories..like alumni said, whatever makes ya sleep well at night..
For me, It's knowing that the this country is the BEST frickin country in the world and will continue be, and knowing that OUR soldiers are out there every day fightin the good fight for our benefit, so I can sleep well at night, and don't have to deal with the bullshit other countries deal with..
Folks need to get a clue, read history, read about all the soldiers and men and woman who have died for OUR freedoms, and where talkin about poppy seeds?
What a frickin disgrace as we celebrate Memorial Day...If ya don't like where ya live, THEN MOVE THE **** OUT!!

[JJB]

I actually just joined the forum for similar reasons. Not so much as being dismissed by my doctor but trying to find some of the pain management care that I need. I need 4 joints replaced and relatively young (early 30's) and can't have the surgeries. If you stop opiates quickly the W/D is inevitable but can be made more tolerable with something like Baclofen. It doesn't relieve it but it helps a little and it's relatively cheap and easy to get. I've also used Tramadol and that has helped me the most but have heard it can cause seizures. It too is relatively cheap and easy to get and quickly. My Dr. has suggested cutting back on the narcotic pain meds and trying more "natural ways" to manage pain. I have found I can take less opiates but unfortunately they can't be replaced.

[stmeantime]

JJB, what do you mean "they cannot be replaced." I don't understand what you are trying to say. I understand the first part of your post though. I hope that your doctor does not cut you off your pain meds altogether. He is probably effected by the recent legislations which are requiring doctors to cut back with their pain meds and in some cases the dovtors are so scared that they completely cut off their patients. This is not fair but I think it is what is happening lately. I wish you the best.

[M77]

JJB, what do you mean "they cannot be replaced." I don't understand what you are trying to say. I understand the first part of your post though. I hope that your doctor does not cut you off your pain meds altogether. He is probably effected by the recent legislations which are requiring doctors to cut back with their pain meds and in some cases the dovtors are so scared that they completely cut off their patients. This is not fair but I think it is what is happening lately. I wish you the best.

That is exactly what happened to me, twice. I has a general practitioner prescribe both pain meds, and meds for GAD (General Anxiety Disorder). First doc gave me my scripts for about 10 years, and then suddenly said "Can't do it anymore, too much BS going on, I am stopping everyone in the whole practice." He did refer me to a pain management doc, that did continue my meds (for the one visit I went there) but told me point blank, I would have to participate in intra-spinal blocks, and other injections, as well as acupuncture with electronic stimulation, etc. If anybody thinks "If I was in bad enough pain, I would submit," I had already received these treatments from a neurologist, and had seizures. It was a basically a "deal." If I left him use me like a pin cushion, and bang my insurer for thousands in monthly treatments that made me sicker, i would get whatever I wanted.

It turns out that this was better then the second time, in which another GP told me he was terrified by threats, and walk-in visits. He was discontinuing all PK's and Benzos, from his practice, as he was "not losing his license for anyone," and again, I got a referral to a pain doc. This one is not a insurance scammer, but (as I have posted enough that everyone on here knows the story) he told me I had to switch to 24/7 Opana ER, instead of 30mg Roxicdone, only taken when needed. I could occasionally get by on one a day, or sometimes more, my script was for 4 a day. The new doc said he will not prescribe ANY instant release meds. Why? It leads to addiction. I responded that I had used them responsibly for over 10 years. His answer was he will run his practice as he sees fit. So 24/7 extended meds (which absolutely DOES cause physical dependence). His scam is the roxicodone is a cheap generic, but my extended release is about $900 a month, right to ENDO. It looks like ENDO decorated his office for him. Cannot imagine what perks (no pun intended) he gets for giving everyone he sees almost $1,000 a month in BRAND meds. He easily makes them a few hundred thousand minimum a month. Medical conference every few months in Maui? Cash payments for participation in med studies? You get the point.

[Gman]

GoingBananas, Sorry to hear about your mom and grandma's situation. My father died of cancer or I will say he died the day after they operated on him. He did have a lot of pain meds but because my mom is a nurse and made sure he had what he needed. It is tryly sad that in this rich country, we do not have access to the pain meds we need. You have to hunt literally to find a compassionate doctor or I guess there are those who will help only at great cost. Most of the pills in the online stores are too much for me to pay.

I can really understand the concept, and relate to you.

[cashman1]

I'm sorry to say this, but even if it is not yet law in your state, you must prepare in advance for this situation. Medical malpractice and liability companies have made this a mandatory whether required by law in the state of practice or not. Anyone who is going through the proper channels for chronic pain management should make it their business to follow legislation as well as read up on changing requirements for medical practices. You can ward of damage with a little preparation.

I just saw this thread for the first time and I was horrified. I can't believe that states have already implemented these programs. You are right this is coming to all states; just like the prescription monitoring program that operates b/w the pharmacies (so that you can't have two doctors writing the same scripts at the same time ("see DEA diversion control program")).

Would not be surprised to see this coming to more than just doctors prescribing pain meds. This could get ugly if it unfolds to the extreme - drug tests given by all doctors before issuing any scripts for scheduled meds.