The Skinny on Mexico

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thanks @GTOTemgesic for the great info.
do they have Temgesic 2mg tabs down in Maxico?

[alumni]

thanks @GTOTemgesic for the great info.
do they have Temgesic 2mg tabs down in Maxico?

The poster you are asking is not here any longer (fortunately). That's what banned means under her screen name.
And there is no drug anywhere that is "2mg Temgesic." It is typically sold in 0.2mg and 0.4mg doses. Big difference.
I believe it is available by prescription in Mexico in those formulations.
If you are attempting to use Temgesic to replace Suboxone, it is not going to be an easy substitution and will likely cost you an arm and a leg.

[Face]

@alumni Thanks for informing me that the poster is banned. I didn't notice that because I'm not that much familiar with forums and writing in them

Thanks again for the info about Temgesic. I thought that Temgesic is a brand name for Buprenorphine Such as Suboxone.

during the past year, I used to take Buprenorphine 2mg a day. That's why I thought it wouldn't be a big difference if I substitute Suboxone with Temgesic.

I'm really desperate since the IPO I used to get Bups from haven'y gotten Bups supplies for the past 3-4 month. This is the reason I'm trying to get any type of medicine that has Buprenophine substance in it as long as it's easier to get it online.

I'm a Lawyer and a Business man. Money isn't a problem to me. My health and social life are what most important to me. I hope you got what I mean my friend

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[alumni]

Buprenorphine comes in different formulations, dosages and names.
Suboxone, Subutex, Temgesic, Buprenex, Butrans, Addnok, Morgesic, etc.
Different countries, different doses, different brand names.

[Face]

Thanks for the info Buddy. I appreciate it

[Hotboxin351]

how does this impact the border pharmacies? do they even get stuff from mexico or is that just a way to move the money around?

[BuckeyeFan]

I believe their benzos come from S. America and the PK's from US. Not positive though.

[Whisperjet727]

CYDYR,
1. I checked into a 5 Diamond rated super resort, 5 miles north of Los Cabos, Mexico first week of Feb.
2. Tried to buy benzo's at pharmacy #1, was told can't sell without a RX.
3. Tried a smaller pharmacy, was immediately, offered, a blisterpack of my
choice of 10 pills per blister, of Pfizer Tafil 1mg, Roche Valium 10mg, and
or Sanofi Stillnox 10mg. Price? $4 buck each US dollars, I gave the
female pharmacist $120.00 on my Mastercard, and returned quickly to
my hotel room, a tad paranoid I bought the meds without a script.
4. I have used benzo's for 25 yrs off and on, but no Xanax or Tafil, in 12
months. "all of the meds were highly diluted meds, I'd say, only 10 to
15% strength, although, they "looked real, hard pressed, in blisterpacks"
5. I was angry, I washed down one beer, and took one Tafil "Xanax", and,
felt nothing, waited 40 minutes, and took two more, now, have 3 mg of
alprazolam in my body, and feel nothing but the effects of the same
one glass of beer. In short, I take all 30 pills in two days, and, only
receive the effects of drinking wine, at the pricey resort.
6. Not to give up easily, and spending $3,000.00 for a 7 day stay at this
World class gold, spa, and hotel on the Sea of Cortez, I see the hotel
has a M.D on call if needed. I go the the Concierge, and "grease his
palm" with a US one hunded dollar bill, telling him, my vacation is being
disturbed, at their beautiful resort, due to being out of meds. This female
picks up the phone and gives the receiver to me, and, I speak only
English, the Mexican M.D. is very friendly, says what do I need? I ask
for Rohypnol, he laughs and says, it is available, in Mexico, but it is too
tight a med to dispense the past few yrs, says, I have other benzo's,
I ask for Roche Rivotril, Roche Valium and Sanofi Stillnox, he says, I
quote, I will send over a messenger to your hotel in 15 minutes, with
90 Rivotril max size 2 mg, 90 Roche Valium 10 mg, and sixty (60) Sanofi
Stillnox, (270 pills) the price will be $320.00 US. Go to your Suite, and,
my delivery guy will have you paged. In exactly 15 minutes, I receive a
call, and I meet a young man, with a small computer, (like Hertz rental
car guys/gals have, and give him my American Express, and it is a done
deal. That is $320.00 plus $100.00 cash tip for the hotel publicity
director.
7. I return to my Suite with anxiety, worried about being ripped off. I
notice, that each "Box" of Brand Name pills, are wrapped in clear tape,
with each Manufacturer's "hologram" embossed ID, with tiny letters,
this being the 6 or 7 digit lot numbers, that are tracable to the Mexican
mfg plant, I open each box, and the blister packs look identical, to the
counterfiet, or "grossly watered down pills I bought 3 days earlier", so I
carefully, take one ten (10 mg) Roche Valium and wash it down, with one
Mexican Mini beer, and within 15 minutes, I am high as a kite!! Every one
of these pills, all 270 were the real thing. Lesson learned, on my 1st
visit to Cabo San Lucas, it paid off to stay at a pricey resort, why? if
the pills were phoney, I'd likely complain, and, a M.D service, and, even
a M.D office, was on the huge 5 pool hotel premises. Thus, it costs me
money, but, I got the real thing, but, "no Mexican prescription, I left my
USA prescriptions, back in the states, just brought the empty bottles,
with my name on them, to punch out each pill, out of the blisters.
8. Unfortunately, I had a small Valium bottle, thus, mailed about 40 of the
90 V's in a padded envelope, to my USA address, a mistake.
9. I received about 10 Valiums, half were broken up, and 30 pills were
missing, I assume someone at the hotel, or, at the post office, had
slippery hands as I was in a hurry, and turned over the envelope to a
staff employee with multiple Mexican stamps, and, did not receive the
envelope until almost 28 days later.
10. I looked for bupe, but it was not OTC at 3 pharmacies in Los Cabos, as
I do use Scherling Plough "Temgesic" sublingual tabs on occasion.
11. IMHO, I have been ripped off 8 times out of 10 the past 2 years from
the EU, United Kingdom, Germany, Philippines, South Africa, and even,
the Dominican Republic, on highly diluted Roche Valium, Pfizer Tafil, and
Pfizer Halcion, and Pakistani Roche Valium, Pfizer Viagra, and, even,
Roche Bromazepam 3mg and 6 mg, from the EU. IMHO the world is
absolutely glutted in excellent embossments in 50% blisterpacks, and,
in other IOP's shipping methods of sending naked pills, that disolve, in
5 seconds on your tongue. It was not this way from 2000 until around
the last good year, 2008!!!!! (I am saying most benzo's have enough
in them to pass a 5 panel urine test, but, you are NOT gettint what
you are paying for, I want a 10 mg Roche Valium, not a 1 or 2 mg
content of diazepam, with, harmless fillers!!!!!!!!

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I made a calculated error, I purchased 240 pills, from the bi-lingual M.D, who
apparently, had a office next door to the pharmacia. "not 270 pills, as I stated". Tip: beware of "at least pharmacist's in Mexican resort towns, that, offer a gringo like me, a strip of benzo's, as they look real, the Roche Valium, blister packs, even on the back side have the image of a pregnant female with a red "X" mark, but the trick is, get in the bright sunlight, and look on that blister pack for a Roche hologram, also embossed, on the silver blister pack. Even the fakes, have a "good expiration date, and a embossed lot no.
but no hard to see hologram with a series of lot numbers!!!!!

[loosie]

Used to take day trips down to TJ to pickup my meds, back in early-mid 2000's. From friends and my own previous exp, it takes a while to find a decent pharmacy. Every corner has guys yelling "get whatever you need here my friend", only to be followed up with "by Rx only" for anything stronger than soma.

Eventually visited with a friend who had paid a local $20-40 for a recommendation to a good pharmacy. Place was well off the beaten tourist path, down a small and dim arcade. Place was extremely legit and well worth the initial investment and effort. $60 got you #90 10mg Roche Diazepam in sealed blister packs inside original manufacturers box, of Mexican origin. Forget the price of 2mg bottles of Xanax, but again legit sealed Mexican origin packaging. Both proved 100% legit and equivilant strength as american origin tabs.

Woman accepted cash, maybe credit although I never dared to use it. Was VERY accommodating, anything you wanted that they did not have in stock would be picked up within minutes via in-store courier. Soma was $20 per bottle of 100.

They even had Hydro and Oxy, although I recall both being VERY expensive. Hydro something like .75/mg and oxy an even dollar/mg. Neither were my thing so I never investigated, but from reading here and talking to others, the availability of such meds spoke to the shops determination to see happy gringos.

Its been neigh on a decade since ive been, and I would NEVER EVER EVER do the TJ thing again, not just with the local criminal/political climate, but also due to reports read on here. Seems like those were the golden days.

If your in the south west US, I would suggest going a bit farther south. Rosarito still delivered satisfactory results as recently as 2008.

[westtexas]

On 8-1-10 the law here changed. I live in the interior. In the state of Guanajuato. Anti-biotics became restricted, nationwide. Meaning you need a receta. It will ease up. The government is doing a media blitz about it right now. Once everything calms down you should be back in business with anti-biotics. Though, most of the larger pharmacy chains, such as Ahorro and Similares, have doctors on staff. Right in the store, or nearby. At Similares it costs about 25 pesos and at some Ahorro locations seeing the doctor is free.
As for pain meds all of the stories you hear about Mexico are just that. Stories. Narcotics are STRICTLY controlled and almost never dispensed in take home form. They can only be prescribed by an anesthesiologist. A family physician can not, under any circumstance. And then you will play hell finding a pharmacy that has it in stock. Which will be none of them in a small town. Very difficult.
Which is one of many odd and frustrating quirks in Mexican law. Regarding anything, medicine or otherwise.
However, an interesting loophole I noticed is that Tramadol and Temgesic are sold freely over the counter. This must be because they are not an opiate exactly, for lack of a better way to say it. They can not be neatly classified the way something like hydrocodone for example. And in the chaos that is Mexican law those 2 slipped through the cracks.
The Tramadol is sold freely. The Temgesic is a little trickier but I am a nurse practitioner in private practice here. So, they sell things to me that they might not to other people. Though technically, they can sell it without a receta. The Temgesic is available for injection only, but they also sell syringes freely. No questions, no nothing. Ever.
Benzodiazapines are also available. By prescription and only sold in one or 2 pharmacies per town. Never in the Similares or Ahorro Farmacias. Always sold in private pharmacies owned by and physically located in private hospitals. But again, easy for me to obtain. Which is interesting because I do not have a Mexican Substancias Controlada number. They only ask for my US DEA number, which is long expired, and often not even for that. Benzo´s are a little expensive here. About $40 for 20 pills, depending on the marca. The brand. Patent medicine is still a huge business here.
Law is capricious and hit or miss here I suppose, and I have been here long enough and practicing that they know me and have eased up. Plus most people in positions of authority don´t even know the laws they are supposed to be enforcing. It really is a bit of a lawless place.
Government is fractured, complicated, cumbersome and in many instances just plain dumb.
Actually they are easy for anyone to obtain because if you know enough to tell the doctor what you want, he or she will write for it. No questions. Ever. These people labor under the impression that they are working FOR YOU. There is little or no haughty doctor attitude that you might expect in the States. Mexican people are very polite, very careful not to offend and avoid confrontation to the point that getting anything done can be a chore. The cultural mores are many.
2 years ago I got ill. Sick enough to be a bit scared. So I went to a doctor in a private hospital. I had my own thoughts about what was going on but wanted to hear another opinion. A doctor, someone far more educated than myself. Or so I thought. It is not a good idea to practice medicine on ones self.
Anyway, we were talking and I kept waiting for the punch line. Any minute now he will tell me what he thinks, and what I need to do. No, instead he asked me what I thought. I told him, he agreed. We agreed on the medication and that was it.
Mexican GP´s go to school for 5 years. That is it. Specializing requires more. One year of internship and another year of social service. Social service is required if you went to a school that is subsidized by the government. They are recouping on their investment. It is a fairly good little system. But, the point is that I went to school longer than the doctor I was seeking help from. It is a different world my friends.
I strongly concur with the other poster who advises staying away from border towns. And I would like to add tourist hot spots to the list of places to avoid. In real Mexico, the interior, things are different.
I hope this is helpful to someone. Feel free to PM me if you have questions. No subject is off limits and I do not judge. I had my own bout with addiction and pain control, so I get it. I am about harm reduction, not preaching.
Be careful out there. I wouldn´t put just any pill in my mouth that is sent to you by a dude named Jose working in an online farmacia in Guadalajara. But that´s just me....

I have been sent links recently to several mexican pharmacies promising if i send MG or WU they will send controlled substances.I have recently lost my insurance and am looking for a safe alternative to get my meds. I recently paid a site to give me a list. I went on yesterday ready to pay and get info to find it had been hacked. I am wondering if the site i paid for has taken me for a ride which i am almost certain they have or if mexican pharmacies do ship to the US.

[sneakyguy22]

This was an excellent post I must give it to him. Tanks for the extra knowledge!!!

[Whisperjet727]

Hello WestTexas,
I had a relaationship, with a pharmacy, that had a open public web site, from the
island of Cozumel, Mexico, from the summer of 2001, until, my last shipment, ordered
on Feb 6, 2009, and received in SE USA on Feb 19, 2009, using their new option, from
2007 to 2009, of "MEXPOST", which, was "expressmail" with delivery within 10 business
days. I used this (again) pubically obtained Website, that I read about, on a long ago,
public forum advertising information about how to save money by purchasing rx drugs online from foreign countries, this forum, closed down, around 2002 or 2003. The Cozumel
pharmacy, I am referring to, "always without exception, only offered non-controlled USA prescription meds, in the original blister packs, and orginal manufacturer's boxes, with, always, the American, or International, easily recognized, subsidiary, with a tracable Mexico manufacturer's address, in Mexico. I used this pharmacy at least 12 to 15 times, and always received, 100% purity, I always compared, the non-controlled meds from Mexico, with, my occasional USA written prescriptions, or USA samples, given to me via USA medical doctors. The pharmacy was not cheap, by no means, but reasonable, considering I always got #1 high quality, and never needed a prescription. Examples of meds previously ordered, finasteride, known in USA as either Propecia 1mg, or Proscar, 5mg, Pfizer Viagra, 50mg or 100mg, the cortisteroid Prednisone, (box read Meticorten Tabletas by Schering-Plough of Xaltocan, Mexico, "Elomet" (known in the USA as Elocon, a 30 gram tube of creme for inflamation, on the skin, "by the exact same name brand manufacturer", Remeron, a anti-depressant, (Mirtazapina Tabletas 30 mg),
Paxil, Zoloft, even, "Seroquel" (30 tabletas of quentiapina) a strong anti-psychotic,
prescribed off label by some USA psychiatrists, for those with severe insomnia, in 100 mg. to Abilify, 15 mg. by Bristol Myers Squibb de Mexico, again, with a complete Mexican factory street address, always in sealed blisterpacks......also "Neurontin" (Gabapentin)
This website, originally, required money orders only, to be sent to a USA Mail Drop Box, in Oregon, USA, but, by 2003 to 2009, accepted Visa and MasterCharge.
I did not order for a lapse of about 12 to 18 months, and something radical happened,
"all I know, is, I read of numerous, continuous reports, from several different, drug forum boards, of "everyone getting scammed, no-one receiving any deliveries, never a "Love Letter" just no deliveries, but the website was still active, in 2011. The overwhelming,
negative publicity I read, caused me to "play it safe" and, not risk losing my money. This website, now has a "reputation" as a scam website, alleged to be under new management" (that is the only reason, I can figure, for a business, with a excellent reputation, but were VERY SLOW AT DELIVERY......at least 25 days...to receive, unless, one paid $25.00 extra, for MEDPOST. I choose not to mention the website, for I am still not familiar with all of the rules of this board"

Finally, I from personal experience, being physically in Los Cabos, Mexico, (February
of 2012), mailed, some meds I obtained, in Mexico, (240 pills, all controlled substances)
that I could not fit in my USA empty pharmacy bottles, and, "it took exactly, 22 days,
for the two envelopes, to even, get the Mexican postmark, stamped, on the padded, envelopes, of "Los Cabos, Mexico" then another 10 to 14 days to receive the meds, and,
I understand a new law, allegations I have read, beginning in November of 2011, was for
every piece of mail to be inspected, vs. previously, about 10% of outbound mail. I was a victim, of a partial loss, of some Roche Valium, Roche Rivotril, and, Sanofi Stillnox........
in addition, to that, (I can't prove it) I am highly suspicious, of my mail, being tampered with, meaning, specifically, the Roche Valium, had been switched from 100% potency, to
a greatly weakened clone, that, looked real, but was definetely, not the strength I originally purchased, ten mg. As I reported earlier on this forum, I had some pills, stolen,
and I did not declare, the contents, of the padded envelope, nor, thus, no "Green Declaration De Aduana" of "medicamentos". Perhaps a mistake? I do not know the answer. Either hungry postal inspectors, inside Mexico, or hungry hotel staff employees, who, I think, were wise to, wealthy "gringo's" at a $2,800 per week destination resort,
who, offered, to "place my padded envelopes in outgoing mail"



Something awfully big is going on, for a Mexican website, only selling Non Controlled
Drugs, to, go down the tubes, in a time frame, of 2010 and 2011.

[paramedic_911]

Thank you so much for the info!!

[VictoriaIvy]

Wow I used to walk across the boarder and get stuff all the time, that sucks!

[oceanfiresky]

A friend of mine would like to send a small supply of meds (10-20 pills) to another friend who is vacationing in MX and forgot them. They are sched. 2 here. It seems as if using regular post traveling across the border TO Mexico shouldn't raise any flags. Does anyone think that there is a high risk of seizure (I know there is always a possibility) or any concern for the traveling friend picking up at a P.O. box? Thank you!

[SimonPol]

@Whisperjet727 Those posts of yours are a good description of the situation as I understand it for individuals buying in Mx at popular and populous locations. I would add though you can do a lot better by taking some basic precautions and simply not accepting the first offer.

Wealthy Gringos, of any nationality or in any 'third world' country always attract a lot of attention of the the scammer who is well practiced and experienced at parting you from your money.

In India for instance - a few years ago, I would always offer a little extra for the real thing (a gift for the excellent service, and product) and often I was then offered a 'different' pack. And I would always indicate I would recommend them or buy more - to feed the need of future business. And I never looked richer then an old hippy.

In the border towns the prices have gone up dramatically in recent years but it is still possible to strike up a working relationship, if you live near enough the border. And if I promise exposure for their business I will deliver and call back some time and remind them it happened, because there is nothing like a recommendation to engender business.

And it works, for me. That is not to denigrate your method, if you have the money it works. If you don't you have to use other tactics. Make sense?

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The only thing I would caution is stealth. You are dealing with a very poor country and if it looks like a Gringo might be sending more than a letter it might be tempting to open it and see what might be. Just a though, having had dealings with poor people from TWC's.

Better if you have a local to send to, and maybe pay them a small receivers fee? If they can be trusted?

A friend of mine would like to send a small supply of meds (10-20 pills) to another friend who is vacationing in MX and forgot them. They are sched. 2 here. It seems as if using regular post traveling across the border TO Mexico shouldn't raise any flags. Does anyone think that there is a high risk of seizure (I know there is always a possibility) or any concern for the traveling friend picking up at a P.O. box? Thank you!

You still can, but be more discriminating who you buy from. Once the word gets out there is money to be made ... Well, you know the rest ...

Wow I used to walk across the boarder and get stuff all the time, that sucks!

[oceanfiresky]

thanks @SimonPol - I did end up sending them out...my friend was staying with a local resident/business owner so i didn't need to send to a hotel or anything - just to her attention. It took about 11 days regular mail. At first she wanted me to send it UPS or Fed Ex and I looked into it and it was going to be $95! for a letter! $18 express post. Win.

[Whisperjet727]

Hi Simonpol,
I really appreciated the advice you gave me on my experience and great
expense in procuring medications in Mexico (Los Cabo's February 2012).
I have concluded, that, with two people at the publicity directors desk,
when I originally ask for a Mexican M.D, (due to a M.D office I saw on the
resort property), I am not so sure now, that when the telephone was handed to me, if I was talking with a Pharmacist Hustler, or, really a M.D, I think the former, as, when the 240 controlled substances were delivered to me by a
"pharmacy runner, a young man, early 20's, I gave my credit card to this fellow right in front of the "concierge's desk" that two people observed, my transaction. Boxes of benzo's, only a pharmacy receipt, no prescription!
The next morning "check out day" I used the hotel's complimentary business office, with Internet, and several desks, I ask the young woman, the
office mgr, If I could borrow her staple gun, as I popped open "many" Roche
Valium out of the blister packs, to wrap in a thin layer of napkins, and stapled
many times, to make sure the envelope, a standard #10 business envelope,
(two of them) addressed to me, and to my sister, who lives two time zones away, in the USA, that, it was a very slow two days at this hotel, and, my actions, did not go unnoticed. I even left the blister foil packs, even, the Roche Valium box, in the nearby small trash can, at the hotel desk by the Internet lounge. I knew there was a Federal Express office 5 miles away, in Los Cabos proper, but I had already missed my flight to Phoenix, thus, rushed with my rental car, to make the last flight out of Mexico, on the airline, I was using. I also used cardboard, to line up the flat 10 mg Valium tabs, and did
trim the cardboard, to fit the #10 standard business envelope.

The fact that I departed Los Cabos, on Feb 4, 2012, and, both of my envelopes, did not even receive a "Los Cabos, Mexico" postmark until Feb 22,
I thought was strange, and, finally, I saw no typical USPS blue box, nor, a slot for outgoing mail, as many big hotels have, in the lobby. I make a error
in not trying Fed Ex, I should have never left the two envelopes with 3 or 4
people recognizing me, as, I was not dressed down, the day I left town, but
was dressed up, (Gucci shoes & belt) did not help matters. I even tipped the lady at the business office, for use of her staple gun, and for the two plain envelopes in Pesos, very well. I rushed, to check out of the hotel, due to staying up half the previous night. "Poor Time Management". Even with the
standard clear tape I used to seal the envelopes, now, my theory, is that, the envelopes were tampered with likely, before "the Mexican mail man" even
arrived to get outgoing mail, or, it was opened up, in Mexico, by who knows,
with the overworked post office. This kind of behavior is the theory, I always, believed, that happened to my 2006 to 2008, IOP relationship, with
two IOP's in Bueno's Aires, Argentina, where I scored 23 times in 24 months obtaining Gador Alplax 2 mg, and Gador Somit (alprazolam and zolpidem). Two of my friends, never got a Love Letter from "ToDo" or "PharmaciaLatina" nor did I, their supply line to the Gador factory, or a hungry snitch, or hungry postal employees, got wise to, the daily bulk shipments, all to the USA. My envelopes, I received only had a return address of a Interpretor Service for Tourists. Both identified IOP's are shut down, one remained for a while, but all controlled substances, and all Gador products were removed by the IOP.

Finally, I lived once in Phoenix, for 12 yrs, (no-longer) and in 1996, my
last year there, I drove to Nogales, Mexico, about 65 miles south of Tucson,
and easily obtained a bottle of ninety (90) ten mg. Roche Valium for US
$8.75 for the whole purchase, vs. Walgreen's in Phoenix, or Tempe AZ
charged $138.00 (cash) to fill the script, about 16 yrs ago. Also got 28
brand 20 mg Prozac capsules for $31.60 vs. $69.95 back in the US, during
1996, and they were the real thing. I think it was at Santa Luz Farmacia or
San Andres Farmacia, in Nogales, Mexico. I'd never try that maneuver now!

"The secret got out", with two articles, one in the Phoenix Daily Sunday
paper, and, "Phoenix" magazine, in great detail, quote "The most popular was
Valium, with a average of 11,000 tablets declared daily, or 4 million Valium
tablets, declared during a study done by University of Texas (Austin) at one
Port of Entry, Laredo, TX. Source: Phoenix Magazine June 1997, Volume 32,
Number 6, pages 66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73.

Wow, how times have changed, from the mid 1980's to the late 1990's.
The Declaration of Purchases, is very sobering, and threatening, that I had
to sign on the before departing Mexico in 2012. Specifically demonizing any
controlled substance, without a US prescription, and at least a copy of a
Mexican prescription, written by a Mexican M.D. (All I had was a receipt, from the Pharmacia, in Cabo San Lucas, (that is not enough). My personal carryon bag was checked throughly, before I embarked on the jet aircraft,
but my freezer bag, had about 8 bottles of USA labeled medications with my name on it, from Percocet, to Dexedrine Spansules, to Adderall, all C-II's in
the USA, but I was never questioned, about the contents of any of the medicine bottles, nor to show a copy of my USA prescriptions, written, by my USA Psychiatrist. Ditto, with, Transportation Safety Administration, at my leaving the USA, and re-entering the USA.

I am 50/50 on going to Puerto Vallerta, vs. San Jose, Costa Rica, this winter, as I understand, Costa Rica, is like Mexico, was in the 1990's, only
the savings, is insignificant, I understand, from other travelers to Costa Rica. Just hope the quality, is there on diazepam, alprazolam, or clonazepam.

[Gullible]

I have bought in mexico, one time but i went there for the vacation and the vals were an afterthought. I really can't understand going someplace mainly to get drugs or to buy a substantial amount of them regardless of why you went. What i mean is the part where you bring them over the border. If you are going to consume them there then that is a horse of another color.

I let the letter take all the risk. I pick a reliable place based on feedback, pay my money and then wait on that little letter. If it comes, great, if it doesn't, then i will be sad but not too badly hurt. Its a lot easier to deny you ordered something that comes in the mail than it is to deny what you bring with you over the border. Small amounts that they might not even bother with a ll if found in the mail, will get you nailed to the cross if you are caught with them bringing over the border. Let the letter take the risk.

[SimonPol]

That makes good sense. I have heard from a local the visitor rental scene is thriving, some places more than others, and a residential address is kosher anywhere.

thanks @SimonPol - I did end up sending them out...my friend was staying with a local resident/business owner so i didn't need to send to a hotel or anything - just to her attention. It took about 11 days regular mail. At first she wanted me to send it UPS or Fed Ex and I looked into it and it was going to be $95! for a letter! $18 express post. Win.

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A lot of what you say makes sense but I also sense you may not be so experienced dealing with people where trust and money are involved. You can't trust anyone in this business. And doing your packing in plain sight was ... do I need to say it? Just begging for trouble. Whoever you left them with was probably approached by someone who knew what you were about, something nobody needs to know.

CC? No, cash, and I would send at the beginning of trip and if anyone else was involved I would offer a tip on successful delivery, but only to the one who counts, whoever the rest look to. And no particular reflection on the Costa Ricans but you take your life into your hands there.

I know for a fact, people with money, as you seem to have, usually have a more integral source then you appear to have. Maybe you need to ask a few friends?

I was going to say if you have legit scripts as you indicated, you should empty them before going, just a few in a bottle, and fill them up there.

Anyway, don't want to run on.

Hi Simonpol,
I really appreciated the advice you gave me on my experience and great
expense in procuring medications in Mexico (Los Cabo's February 2012).
I have concluded, that, with two people at the publicity directors desk,
when I originally ask for a Mexican M.D, (due to a M.D office I saw on the
resort property), I am not so sure now, that when the telephone was handed to me, if I was talking with a Pharmacist Hustler, or, really a M.D, I think the former, as, when the 240 controlled substances were delivered to me by a
"pharmacy runner, a young man, early 20's, I gave my credit card to this fellow right in front of the "concierge's desk" that two people observed, my transaction. Boxes of benzo's, only a pharmacy receipt, no prescription!
The next morning "check out day" I used the hotel's complimentary business office, with Internet, and several desks, I ask the young woman, the
office mgr, If I could borrow her staple gun, as I popped open "many" Roche
Valium out of the blister packs, to wrap in a thin layer of napkins, and stapled
many times, to make sure the envelope, a standard #10 business envelope,
(two of them) addressed to me, and to my sister, who lives two time zones away, in the USA, that, it was a very slow two days at this hotel, and, my actions, did not go unnoticed. I even left the blister foil packs, even, the Roche Valium box, in the nearby small trash can, at the hotel desk by the Internet lounge. I knew there was a Federal Express office 5 miles away, in Los Cabos proper, but I had already missed my flight to Phoenix, thus, rushed with my rental car, to make the last flight out of Mexico, on the airline, I was using. I also used cardboard, to line up the flat 10 mg Valium tabs, and did
trim the cardboard, to fit the #10 standard business envelope.

The fact that I departed Los Cabos, on Feb 4, 2012, and, both of my envelopes, did not even receive a "Los Cabos, Mexico" postmark until Feb 22,
I thought was strange, and, finally, I saw no typical USPS blue box, nor, a slot for outgoing mail, as many big hotels have, in the lobby. I make a error
in not trying Fed Ex, I should have never left the two envelopes with 3 or 4
people recognizing me, as, I was not dressed down, the day I left town, but
was dressed up, (Gucci shoes & belt) did not help matters. I even tipped the lady at the business office, for use of her staple gun, and for the two plain envelopes in Pesos, very well. I rushed, to check out of the hotel, due to staying up half the previous night. "Poor Time Management". Even with the
standard clear tape I used to seal the envelopes, now, my theory, is that, the envelopes were tampered with likely, before "the Mexican mail man" even
arrived to get outgoing mail, or, it was opened up, in Mexico, by who knows,
with the overworked post office. This kind of behavior is the theory, I always, believed, that happened to my 2006 to 2008, IOP relationship, with
two IOP's in Bueno's Aires, Argentina, where I scored 23 times in 24 months obtaining Gador Alplax 2 mg, and Gador Somit (alprazolam and zolpidem). Two of my friends, never got a Love Letter from "ToDo" or "PharmaciaLatina" nor did I, their supply line to the Gador factory, or a hungry snitch, or hungry postal employees, got wise to, the daily bulk shipments, all to the USA. My envelopes, I received only had a return address of a Interpretor Service for Tourists. Both identified IOP's are shut down, one remained for a while, but all controlled substances, and all Gador products were removed by the IOP.

Finally, I lived once in Phoenix, for 12 yrs, (no-longer) and in 1996, my
last year there, I drove to Nogales, Mexico, about 65 miles south of Tucson,
and easily obtained a bottle of ninety (90) ten mg. Roche Valium for US
$8.75 for the whole purchase, vs. Walgreen's in Phoenix, or Tempe AZ
charged $138.00 (cash) to fill the script, about 16 yrs ago. Also got 28
brand 20 mg Prozac capsules for $31.60 vs. $69.95 back in the US, during
1996, and they were the real thing. I think it was at Santa Luz Farmacia or
San Andres Farmacia, in Nogales, Mexico. I'd never try that maneuver now!

"The secret got out", with two articles, one in the Phoenix Daily Sunday
paper, and, "Phoenix" magazine, in great detail, quote "The most popular was
Valium, with a average of 11,000 tablets declared daily, or 4 million Valium
tablets, declared during a study done by University of Texas (Austin) at one
Port of Entry, Laredo, TX. Source: Phoenix Magazine June 1997, Volume 32,
Number 6, pages 66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73.

Wow, how times have changed, from the mid 1980's to the late 1990's.
The Declaration of Purchases, is very sobering, and threatening, that I had
to sign on the before departing Mexico in 2012. Specifically demonizing any
controlled substance, without a US prescription, and at least a copy of a
Mexican prescription, written by a Mexican M.D. (All I had was a receipt, from the Pharmacia, in Cabo San Lucas, (that is not enough). My personal carryon bag was checked throughly, before I embarked on the jet aircraft,
but my freezer bag, had about 8 bottles of USA labeled medications with my name on it, from Percocet, to Dexedrine Spansules, to Adderall, all C-II's in
the USA, but I was never questioned, about the contents of any of the medicine bottles, nor to show a copy of my USA prescriptions, written, by my USA Psychiatrist. Ditto, with, Transportation Safety Administration, at my leaving the USA, and re-entering the USA.

I am 50/50 on going to Puerto Vallerta, vs. San Jose, Costa Rica, this winter, as I understand, Costa Rica, is like Mexico, was in the 1990's, only
the savings, is insignificant, I understand, from other travelers to Costa Rica. Just hope the quality, is there on diazepam, alprazolam, or clonazepam.