Best Diazepam Brands?

[imnotcrazy]

The vendor I am looking to place an order with is out of the brand-name Roche Valium, and has suggested Fabop diazepam as a substitute. I have little experience with diazepam brands, and I have only had Teva brand from the local pharmacy, which was decent quality (as it seems most Teva pharmaceuticals are). Has anyone tried Fabop, and if you've also tried the Roche, how do they compare?

I really would be lost without this forum. There are so damn many pill brands out there, and a million online pharmacies, and with everyone's help on here, I have had four successful orders so far. Thanks in advance!

[endo1]

I never heard of them, but apaurine and bensedin are considered the most potent diazepams.

[mani]

This question seems to pop up quite a lot on here.

Without mentioning all the popular brands, I had some diazapam made by Ratiopharm a German company which were pretty damn good. Can't remember who I got them from, I think it may of been Airsealed (remember them).

[Perromaldido]

Agreed, APAURINE(Diazepam) 10mg by Krka-Slovenia "Blue Valium" is accoding to many the
best diaz w/wide, I mean even better than Roche. Bosnian e-mail only sources must have sold milion pops of them..lol....btw....whatever happened to Bosnian e-mail only sources?

Perromaldido

[sandusky]

What do we mean by "better" and "best". Like, most reliable quality, or most potent? Valium is one drug that I honestly haven't noticed a big difference between brands. That might just be me, though. Only two brands I can remember offhand having are ratiopharm (sp?) and roche.

[Perromaldido]

@sandusky. Ratiopharm makes good diaz...anyway especially when you buy east you could end up with strong, effective, roche like generics as well as much weaker stuff. Not fakes, just not as good/strong as. On a nice rather small forum -now defunct - I used to be very active on, with we had a 'generic diaz quality by source' thread- It was quite effective though, even here, different people different tatstes. Each lab worlwide has its own procedures, standarsd and more or less quality ingredients... hence the differences..

Perromaldido

[acey]

This is a personal photo I took of my favourite benzo in the universe...

AUPARIN 10mg

Heres the full link with info on the pill in my contribution to Pharmer.org
Diazepam - 10mg | Pharmer.org

I contribute quite a bit to pharmer.org with photos of cool foreign meds. I love photographing them and also to help build this giant database so if you find a pill and dont know what it is chances are youll see it at pharmer.org

Besides the KRKA slovenian Auparin, I like Apotex generics from Canada, Bensedine by Galenika (White 10mg diazepam), Tarapia Romanian (also White 10mg diazepam).

There are probably a lot of other great generics from North america and the UK.

Just thought I'd share

Acey

[agram]

10mg is 10mg is 10mg is 10mg.

Unless the medicine is counterfeit but still effective, ALL approved brands are exactly the same. If they have 10mg Diazepam, they MUST include no more or less than 10mg.

So if the medication is legit, then the only thing which MIGHT make a SLIGHT difference is the fillers and binders in a pill. I doubt that would ever have an effect though.

So just get the cheapest legic generic

[Roswell1947]

IMO
Good: Apaurin, Actavis,TEVA, Pax, Piramal (India)
Not so good: Roche Pakistan, Ind-Swift (India)
Mixed: Ranbaxy Terapia (I enjoyed them but many don't)

[Enzob]

I dont think that 10 mg is 10 mg.... It is true that pakistan roche 10mg are very weak to me. Also, apo-diazepam that I tried from MM was also weak. Maybe you can try the terapia ranbaxy. They have good reviews I think

[Perromaldido]

@agram. Even if it is illegal and I should have a script, since they've been knowing for years and being it a Tab V, some pharmacies here sell me diaz OTC (of course I couldn't go there everyday) so I've tried so many generics I can actually swear by the fact that there are 10 mgs which are more 10 mgs than others. Of course I could buy Roche but, for example, a bottle of german made ratiopharm diaz drops which i consider as good as Roche's sells for 4,5 Eur (a little more than 5 bucks) Vs. 15.

Perromaldido

[newage]

interesting thread. 10mg is not 10mg as someone stated above. For example 100mg pfizer viagra. Nothing compares to a 100% legit viagra but most people dont know that as they get really good knock offs from there suppliers. The quality of raw material differs from vendor to vendor also taking into consideration its place of origin. Another reference point would be tramadol. 50mg from different manufactures is different hands down.

[agram]

interesting thread. 10mg is not 10mg as someone stated above. For example 100mg pfizer viagra. Nothing compares to a 100% legit viagra but most people dont know that as they get really good knock offs from there suppliers. The quality of raw material differs from vendor to vendor also taking into consideration its place of origin. Another reference point would be tramadol. 50mg from different manufactures is different hands down.

For a legitimate 10mg tablet compared to another legitimate tablet, 10mg is 10mg. For dodgy pills from strange places, sure, it could differ. That's quality control for you. For any company worth its salt, it will be 10mg no matter the brand. Some fillers and binders might make it seem like it is more effective, but I doubt this will be more than placebo.

100% legit Viagra (sildenafil) doesn't mean more than it has a certain quantity. For a dodgy company, it might well differ. But I wouldn't love to put my trust in a brand which doesn't have the same effects as any other, as I would then doubt what impurities and other cr@p might be in there.

Kamagra compared to Viagra is a good example - Kamagra cannot be sold in the US legally due to patent issues, which are due to expire in 2013 (I think). But Kamagra is rather legitimate, and very professionally made. 100mg of Kamagra is the same as 100mg of Viagra. Or rather, Sildenafil. But Kamagra isn't made by a dodgy company.

10mg of somedodgygenericvalium might end up being stronger or weaker than Roche 10mg Valium. But I'd much rather go with Valium or a more legitimate brand, as you know you get what you ask for; no more, no less.

I'd be worried if a brand is stronger or weaker, due to impurities and contaminants.

Hope my rant makes sense and helps people err on the safer side of things!

[fuego]

It might be more useful to identify which brands are the most widely counterfeited (and hence subject to variations in content, both in terms of drug weight and actual active ingredient) as a starting point for this discussion. I would say that that dubious honour most certainly goes to Roche.

[Agls]

Agree honors go to Roche second I would say dans assuming just ones available at local pharmacys in US, I've had success with aps/teva but nothing compares to that gotten in the US

[endo1]

I think the thing with generics vs brand names is they are supposed to have the same amount of the active ingredient, so roche vs terapia vs pax, etc. SHOULD have 10mg of diazepam in each (which they most likely dont, but lets assume they do). The difference I BELIEVE lies in the delivery of the active ingredient; I dont think generics have to employ the same method of drug delivery as brand names to achieve the desired results. As a result, varying levels of efficacy in delivery will result and the full 10mg, even though (theoretically) present in each generic/brand name pill, may or may not be active, leading to the perception of a weaker pill due to less active ingredient.

I also might be completely wrong, so theres that too; although it does look good on paper. then again so did communism...

Im gonna go now

[redline99]

I think the thing with generics vs brand names is they are supposed to have the same amount of the active ingredient, so roche vs terapia vs pax, etc. SHOULD have 10mg of diazepam in each (which they most likely dont, but lets assume they do). The difference I BELIEVE lies in the delivery of the active ingredient; I dont think generics have to employ the same method of drug delivery as brand names to achieve the desired results. As a result, varying levels of efficacy in delivery will result and the full 10mg, even though (theoretically) present in each generic/brand name pill, may or may not be active, leading to the perception of a weaker pill due to less active ingredient.

I also might be completely wrong, so theres that too; although it does look good on paper. then again so did communism...

Im gonna go now

excactly, the method of drug delivery differs!
I can feel it on generics, after 1-2 hours no muscle relaxing effects anymore.
On good diaz like Terapie i have relaxing effect for more than 10hours!
So i think the cheap generics get out of my system too fast for some reason, therfore therapeutic effect not so good

[sophie659]

I recently made my first iop purchase of Activis but they haven't been as effective as I'd hoped. I'm unsure whether this is down to my own tolerance or the brand. Does anyone know if these differ to Teva at all? I would like to get my hands on some Roche but after reading through this thread would feel wary of them being counterfeit.

[Perromaldido]

Teva is an Israeli manufacturer with a very high reputation on CNS acting meds. They won't disappoint you IMHO.

Perromaldido

[SedateMe]

Agreed, APAURINE(Diazepam) 10mg by Krka-Slovenia "Blue Valium" is accoding to many the
best diaz w/wide, I mean even better than Roche. Bosnian e-mail only sources must have sold milion pops of them..lol....btw....whatever happened to Bosnian e-mail only sources?

Perromaldido

@Perromaldido, they are still around. I have 3 sources in Serbia. Very good prices on very good products. Took me awhile to search for em, good luck.
I have some orders coming soon, some apaurins and Ksalols. I'll let u guys know how that works out.