Pay-Pal

[sveetdills]

I may have a source for generic ED med's but I am weary of getting scammed. I have the option to do a moneygram or use pay-pal. Am I foolish to think that I am protected with PayPal? I can live with getting scammed as I'd only make a small order initially, but I'd feel better knowing I could have this dude/service shut down (at least from using PayPal) if they scam me.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. (Thanks!!)

[smithieh]

Who uses PayPal to receive, would really like to know? That's either a very trusting source or ... something else.

[akl63]

With Paypal, if the guy withdraws the money and closes his account...
You'd have to file a dispute ticket or something like that.
They will try to contact him eventually, you won't get the money back though unless he gives it to paypal.

So in the end, neither are foolproof. I'd think you could find a place that takes CC's, but not really sure how these places ship to Canada.

[smithieh]

@akl63 But don't you need extensive ID to get a PP account? Which would make the vendor traceable?

[akl63]

Doesn't matter. The guy takes the money out and leaves, you aren't getting the money.

Sure paypal may call him, or send him 100 emails. If he doesn't give the money back you won't get it.

I filed a dispute over an ebay deal. It was an "open dispute" for 2 years. I never got anything back. They said they tried to contact the seller. That's all.

[DrCrumbs]

Man, I've used paypal for lots of stuff and I've been screwed on both ends.

It doesnt seem like they please either party if theres a problem.

[akl63]

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Some guy on another forum, showing how easy it is to others.

"I have 14 accounts in my arsenal. only 5 are active in selling and the rest are just there for back ups and building good feedback.

buy and read the book: auctionstealth

it will pretty give u a good idea of how to set these up. "

Wonder what other people are using their multiple accounts for?

[smithieh]

Still, dicey if you are in the business of scamming, someone might want to track you without making a claim through PP. Is it a usual form of payment for scammers on drug fora? I wonder.

Edit : auctionstealth, I'll have a look. Thanks.

[SoTired]

Not to be contradictory, but I've paid a purchase with PayPal on e bay, which was never shipped to me and I was reimbursed one week after I filed my complaint.

Mind you, my purchase was a slide scanner

But I have paid purchases from an e-mail source with PayPal (through CC) and felt a lot more secure than with any money transfer service.

I know, I know, nothing is foolproof. But still...

[akl63]

With all the restrictions now there just aren't that many places that are 100% safe. Only those accepting credit cards directly, but then you gotta do a chargeback. Paypal at least their is a chance you could find out his real info. MG who knows.

We are kinda at the mercy of a lot of the sellers.

[Gullible]

Paypal protects the buyer more so than the seller, that has been my experience. Perhaps a huge seller with thousands of transactions a year might get preferential treatment, i don't know. I do know they require a bank account for a paypal account and they will do a charge back which your bank may pay out of other funds if no money in checking. Still no guarantee you will get your money back.

The downside is that if paypal finds illegal transactions or against their tos, they can close the accounts of both parties and take the money. If you don't like it you can sue and face their team of lawyers.

A credit card is safer but get one with the option of creating virtual cards as i've talked about in many other threads.

[Chef Groovy]

Who uses PayPal to receive, would really like to know? That's either a very trusting source or ... something else.

brandmedicines.com uses paypal only. Of course paypal can process the credit card too, but I did direct PP transfer

[Bobble22]

Paypal protects the buyer more so than the seller, that has been my experience. Perhaps a huge seller with thousands of transactions a year might get preferential treatment, i don't know. I do know they require a bank account for a paypal account and they will do a charge back which your bank may pay out of other funds if no money in checking. Still no guarantee you will get your money back.

The downside is that if paypal finds illegal transactions or against their tos, they can close the accounts of both parties and take the money. If you don't like it you can sue and face their team of lawyers.

A credit card is safer but get one with the option of creating virtual cards as i've talked about in many other threads.

Someone here said there are ways for the receiver of PP to escape any repercussions of a bad deal so it's no better than other ways to pay. Can you link to the virtual CC thing? That could be useful if there's is some anonymity and risk limits. Thanks.

[Gullible]

@Bobble22 , the receiver can empty the bank account and run. That is always a possibility. There is no anonymity in virtual cards anywhere that i know of. Google virtual credit card and you will find the info you need. I got mine through boa. It limits your risk to the max amount you set on it. Set it for the amount of purchase and after that that card is useless unless you load it up some more. It appears as a charge on your statement. I plan to use it with all iop's from now on and any online merchant for that matter.

[SpaceMatters]

Paypal protects the buyer more so than the seller, that has been my experience. Perhaps a huge seller with thousands of transactions a year might get preferential treatment, i don't know. I do know they require a bank account for a paypal account and they will do a charge back which your bank may pay out of other funds if no money in checking. Still no guarantee you will get your money back.

The downside is that if paypal finds illegal transactions or against their tos, they can close the accounts of both parties and take the money. If you don't like it you can sue and face their team of lawyers.

A credit card is safer but get one with the option of creating virtual cards as i've talked about in many other threads.

Gullible, I have read for years that paypal is NOT the way to pay vendors for that very reason. I personally think paypal was key in shutting Alden Clinic down. I don't know anything, just that Alden Clinic took paypal and only sold controlled substances (like codeine) for a very short time.

[wnbafan]

Man, I've used paypal for lots of stuff and I've been screwed on both ends.

It doesnt seem like they please either party if theres a problem.

That's been my experience with Paypal too, @DrCrumbs . I think Paypal makes so much money, and they are the primary payment option for so many online stores, that they just don't care. It seems they feel they're the only game out there so they can abuse their customers. Ever notice how hard it is to actually reach a real person if there is a problem? Don't you just love those form email responses that don't help at all? I really hope other payment options like Google checkout or something would knock Paypal off their pedestal.
Sorry, I guess I lost it there for a minute...
Back on topic...
I wouldn't use Paypal for this kind of purchase...

[Gullible]

I used it recently since that was the only available option. I don't plan to make a habit of it. I could say i ordered vitamins. The fact they do not want any complaints or extra attention from paypal might mean they will bend over backward to make you happy? I can dream can't i?

The virtual cc is definitely much better. Google checkout is getting a little funny too, from what i've heard. Success always goes to the head. Competition is what drives service and better product. Many of those other services charge a hefty fee.