pakistan Roche valium real. Interesting difference between theirs and those that we know to be real roche valium blisters. experts please help.

[auburnfan123]

On the situation of pakistan roche valium, THey are weak as heck, or fake,
I dont know if this whats going on but i noticed something. I have recently discovere that a 100% legit real roche valium have an strange hologram on them that changes differenct colors when you look at it from different angles or bend them. The holograms say "Original Roche" over and over again.
here are pictures:
good ones pictures by dexter_morgan2477 - Photobucket

If you click on the pictures they get bigger.
as you notice, these hologram prints change colors as you move them from side to side.
one minute their blue then purplish blue depends on how you hold the blister.
and the holograms say "original Roche over and over again"
that will be hard to fake.
I hope all Roche blisters are using this to show if Roche really made the blister of if its a fake..
I am wondering if Roche is putting these on REAL blister as an anti-counterfeit measure. ANY EXPERTS (not Pakistan Roche shills please) know any info on this??
These holograms ARE NOT on any PAKI ROCHE VALIUM BISTERS,,[IMG][/IMG]


These are pictures of the "roche valium" being sold from pakistan. notice, not hologram and we all know the quality is very bad compared other country's rochevaliums


there are also people claiming the martin dow are legit. but the have the same Regn # and supposed licence number as the others, same thing. based on experience. they both are not the real deal. trust me ive had the real ones from other countries (mexico, Argentine, etc,etc.) and these paki supposed roches are not made by roche standards IMO.

Just because they say martin dow do not assume they are ANY different.

[joeydixiedaisey]

I am not an expert. Have you tried tasting them to see if they have a similar taste? I have never seen the holigrams but always get either the mexican or south american. I would not trust anything from pakistan. everything I have ever seen from pakistan was a total fake. And I would hate the people that were behind 9-11 profit from me.

[scorpigoh]

@auburnfan123...where did you get the "original" Roche samples, if you don't mind sharing. I want to get some to compare. Thank you.

[auburnfan123]

@auburnfan123...where did you get the "original" Roche samples, if you don't mind sharing. I want to get some to compare. Thank you.

from a trusted source. dont like giving those details out here but lets just say I give them an "A".

[JackB]

I was going to also post about "Roche" valiums, I have never purchased them from an IOP as I simply don't trust that they'll be genuine. I have considered ordering the pakistani ones from the well known source we shall call "S" but everyone seems to slate their quality and the price seems too good to be true. I have bought diazepam in India and Thailand face to face at pharmacies and have always had good quality meds, the Indian ones are by a company called "Zepose" and always seemed good quality.

As a resultof this I think I would prefer to pay more and order from AMC, they offer Teva/APS brand and also Activis which are a bit cheaper. I have tried a pain killer made by Teva that seemed well made and good quality so think I will plump for them. Unless anyone can give me a better idea, would rather pay more and get quality then risk getting bunk meds at a cheap price as I will simply throw them away if I don't trust them.

[SageVisitor]

For those who purchase blistered meds, I would worry slightly less than if you bought loose, homemade pills. At least an effort was made to look legit. This should really alarm all these folks who purposely purchase bags of loose, homemade meds, while justifying everything based solely upon the price they paid. Ridiculous.

[Roswell1947]

I had that exact Hologram from "O" and they were good.
Funny to have seen the square blisters.
I just got the Roche Pakistan and I also have a few samples left
of the Pax-10 from MM, Actavis AMC, and Terapia AEC.
Honestly I don't notice much difference but I do take them sublingual.
If the Pakistan were fake I'd have severe withdrawal symptoms.
The Roche they used to send from AMC in Germany looked like the strongest.
My wife takes Ivax/Teva from Costco and also tried the Roche Pakistan
to compare and noticed no difference either.
When I first had valium scripted back in 1977-78 it was blue
said "Valium 10" on them and those kicked butt!
That was before they went generic and they were like $1.00 ea.
Just my opinion...

[johnnylarue35]

I never had problems when I took Valiums from Roche Pakistan. They may be slightly weaker, but I never noticed much of a difference.

[SageVisitor]

I never had problems when I took Valiums from Roche Pakistan. They may be slightly weaker, but I never noticed much of a difference.

Of all the instances, only once did I receive bunk Roches from PK. It was so obvious as the pills under only slight pressure, broke through the foil. I immediately tossed them.

[olyoxen]

I am not an expert. Have you tried tasting them to see if they have a similar taste? I have never seen the holigrams but always get either the mexican or south american. I would not trust anything from pakistan. everything I have ever seen from pakistan was a total fake. And I would hate the people that were behind 9-11 profit from me.

Weird I have never seen a roche blister pack without the hologram.

[D0chunt]

@auburnfan123, my appologies if this comes across as rude but could you refrain from using the term "paki"? I will give the benefit of the doubt and assume it is a shortening of Pakistan. I don't know where you are from but in the UK the term is offensive racist slang used to describe people of Inian/Pakistani etc descent.

[SageVisitor]

@auburnfan123, my appologies if this comes across as rude but could you refrain from using the term "paki"? I will give the benefit of the doubt and assume it is a shortening of Pakistan. I don't know where you are from but in the UK the term is offensive racist slang used to describe people of Inian/Pakistani etc descent.

I never quite got this purported insult. Isn't that like me calling you a 'Scot'? Or calling someone else a 'Brit'. Are these also insulting?

Now if you are German and I call you a 'Germ', I can possibly see that as being insulting at some level.

[JackB]

Some abbreviations aren't offensive on paper but because sometimes words can be used in an abusive way for a number of decades, that word then has connotations to some people who have always hated it as it's been used in a negative way against them. It's not the word that's insulting in itself it's the way it has been used against people from Pakistan in the UK for quite a long time. Plus it's almost a collective term for the uneducated that's used against any person with brown skin in England which really offends other people who maybe from India but are often called "paki" because they have brown skin.

[D0chunt]

I can fully understand the confusion from someone not from the Uk, that's why I apologised if I came accross as rude. My other half is of Indian descent and has been called this many times "violently" as I have been insulted for being her partner. It is the USA equivalent of the "N word" to African Americans for Indian/Pakistani people in the UK, and Australia I believe.
I have no problems with it being the shortening of a word and equally have no problems being called a Scot, Jock, Scotch or anything else because I have (almost) always been called it light heartedly. However the term "paki" is used often derogatively or violently and with much pleasure by right wing racist groups etc etc.
I would also say that it is thrown about on Topix (where I had the misfortune of spending time) by people from the UK who mean it in a negative way, example: shite paki pills etc etc.

[dannyboy868]

Yes Pakistan Roche Valium is weaker. Is it possible you have a high tolerance?

[D0chunt]

I suppose under the "shortening" criteria the "N word" could be justified as a modified shorthand of Nigerian but I doubt that would carry much weight. Hopefully this explains my point, I am certainly no humourless prude or overly "PC", I just don't like reading language which could be offensive or upsetting to people.

Getting back to the subject though, I would have to agree that any meds I have purchased from Pakistan have been weaker and more inconsistent.

[JoeyButtafuoco]

No surprise hear. I have been preaching about fakes from this area for quite a while. The have mass produced factories where these meds are made probably with kids doing the labor. Putting the pills in blisters might cost them an extra .10 cents. Yet, so many people believe these are coming from regulated places and are the real deal.

Looks like the Pakis are going to need to step up their game and get a new machine to add a hologram.

[SageVisitor]

Looks like the Pakis are going to need to step up their game and get a new machine to add a hologram.

I understand they are back-ordered.

[auburnfan123]

I never quite got this purported insult. Isn't that like me calling you a 'Scot'? Or calling someone else a 'Brit'. Are these also insulting?

Now if you are German and I call you a 'Germ', I can possibly see that as being insulting at some level.

exactly. no ill intentions just less typing.
its ridiculous what gets some upset these day isnt it.
but if i offended your feelings i am sorry.

But I dont feel we should all have to abide by something that is absolutly ridiculous.
Unless thier is ill will behind it.
get real, its just an abreviation.
and to even compare that to the other slang racial slurrs makes me SICK.

get back on topic. please. this thread is not meant for this. probably from pakistan who doesnt like thier meds being exposed as fake/weak

[D0chunt]

@auburnfan123, since posting that, which you quoted, Sagevisitor has found two posts explaining the matter helpful. I am not sure if you read my posts explaining the possible mis-understanding. I am not looking for any argument and I was not looking for an apology, especially a disingenuous one, I was mearly pointing out that the use of the word would potentially cause offence on an international forum and the reasons why. Do you find social prohibition of using the "N word" equally ridiculous?